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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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superrific said:
In fairness, though, he put a stop to Trump's Ukraine extortion. From what I understand, he didn't even ask the boss. He just told everyone to get the aid flowing. Yes, he probably did so because he feels personally offended if weapons are sitting around idle, but it was a laudable move.

Bolton has proven to be a guy who values country over party. That's not nearly enough to make him a guy I would ever want to work with, but it's at least something. Better than the GOPers like Cotton who are not only bloodthirsty but are just itching for a chance to open fire on Americans.
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Bolton puts his ideology over his country. I don’t think he cares about the Republican Party. He’s committed to American imperialism. If that means young men and women need to die in a war against Iran, so be it.
 
Paine said:
John Bolton is a blood-thirsty ghoul. I’m glad no one is listening to what he has to say.
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Disagree as I always do when people post stuff like this.

Nobody on the right will listen to warnings about Trump from the left. It brings more legitimacy in their eyes when someone from the right speaks out - whether it is Bolton or Pence or Chaney.

I don’t at all understand the instinct to criticize people for speaking out against Trump. Agreeing with Bolton and accepting that he is doing right by speaking out doesn’t mean you are defending everything Bolton did or stands for.

When someone is giving you a win, take it. This purity test only harms democrats.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Disagree as I always do when people post stuff like this.

Nobody on the right will listen to warnings about Trump from the left. It brings more legitimacy in their eyes when someone from the right speaks out - whether it is Bolton or Pence or Chaney.

I don’t at all understand the instinct to criticize people for speaking out against Trump. Agreeing with Bolton and accepting that he is doing right by speaking out doesn’t mean you are defending everything Bolton did or stands for.

When someone is giving you a win, take it. This purity test only harms democrats.
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Who is listening to John Bolton that is still on team Trump? That’s like 2 people in the entire country max. He isn’t persuading anyone to be anti-Trump. I’d rather him go away from public life and never see or hear from him again.
 
dukeman92 said:
Nobody on the right will listen to warnings about Trump from anyone. We just spent an election cycle listening to warning after warning from people within his own party. Didn’t matter.
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Apparently, people who say they are independent and swing voters won't listen, either, because the other option was a black woman, and that is just too much for them to handle.
 
nycfan said:
May not be a joke. Value is between $500 million and $1 billion. As long as he is setting money on fire for kicks, why not? There are conservatives begging a billionaire or two to buy it to shut it down (and others suggesting they do the same to BSKY because meanie libs are abandoning Xitter for a place that has moderation standards).

I am not an MSNBC fan or viewer and still want to see BSKY to be less of an echo chamber, but find it pretty concerning that there are a lot of self-proclaimed free speech conservatives who are promoting acquiring and shutting down more liberal spaces.
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I'm sure the stockholders would love that. And it's not like it's going to stop anything as Elon can well attest with Blue sky gaining in popularity. I'm sure someone can figure out a way to start a liberal leaning News channel to fill demand that is suddenly unsatisfied because Elon shut down their old station.
 
nycfan said:
May not be a joke. Value is between $500 million and $1 billion. As long as he is setting money on fire for kicks, why not? There are conservatives begging a billionaire or two to buy it to shut it down (and others suggesting they do the same to BSKY because meanie libs are abandoning Xitter for a place that has moderation standards).

I am not an MSNBC fan or viewer and still want to see BSKY to be less of an echo chamber, but find it pretty concerning that there are a lot of self-proclaimed free speech conservatives who are promoting acquiring and shutting down more liberal spaces.
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They've already been doing this. Elon buying Twitter is such an example. They're just accelerating the program now. And it's worth noting that this is precisely how Orban took over Hungary and became a virtual dictator - they took control of pretty much every media outlet in the country and so have prevented his opponents from getting airtime in campaigns. Imagine Elon in control of MSNBC and CNN moving even more to the right. I know that younger liberals use social media and don't watch much television, but the ugly truth is that liberals are starting to run out of major media outlets to get their views out.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
They've already been doing this. Elon buying Twitter is such an example. They're just accelerating the program now. And it's worth noting that this is precisely how Orban took over Hungary and became a virtual dictator - they took control of pretty much every media outlet in the country and so have prevented his opponents from getting airtime in campaigns. Imagine Elon in control of MSNBC and CNN moving even more to the right. I know that younger liberals use social media and don't watch much television, but the ugly truth is that liberals are starting to run out of major media outlets to get their views out.
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Kiss NPR and local public radio/TV outlets good-bye. Not that they’ve done much but sane-wash Trump and MAGA the last 9 years; but, WUNC does cover state and regional news.
 
I went to college with Bradley George and we ran in the same circles. We have talked occasionally since he started working at NPR.

At the state level, NPR is doing the best they can. And I will continue to argue that NPR at the national level remains among the best services at reporting international news.
 
lawtig02 said:
I guess we’ve reached the part of the story where the Pubs and their billionaire enablers are both ready and able to do what their (unrestricted) media outlets have been (falsely) accusing Dems of doing to them for years.

Something like “I can’t wait for my leopards to eat the faces of those I have been falsely led to believe have been trying to eat my face!”
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Yep, this has been happening for a while behind the scenes but is becoming more publicly visible now. Bastardization of the 1st Amendment by the right wing media ecosystem and Pub politicians laid the ground work for this effort, and the base is fully on board. For the right, "free speech" has always meant the freedom to say whatever they want without consequence as well as propagate disinformation without limitation. Musk's claims of being a free speech advocate while acquiring sXitter and turning it into a hotbed of online right wing extremism (and silencing dissident voices on the platform) is a prime example of this. And of course they don't believe those same free speech rights (or any rights really) apply to their political opponents. All this after playing the victim and projecting that the left was doing what they are actually doing now, as you said. It's all part of the right's dangerous lurch toward fascism.
 
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OK, so MSNBC is owned by NBC. They aren't going to sell it to Elon. It would pulverize their brand. I read somewhere they are thinking about spinning it off, but I would be surprised if the spin off would sell to Elon either. I would assume NBC would put some sort of anti-Elon provisions in the new company's certificate of incorporation (if it does get spun off).
 
Paine said:
Didn’t say he was. Just don’t think anyone should be giving credence to him. A blind squirrel and all that.
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Yes, but you stated he isn’t worth listening to. In this particular case, he is. He was also right about the threat that Trump poses to the country. So the blind squirrel found a couple of nuts.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Yes, but you stated he isn’t worth listening to. In this particular case, he is. He was also right about the threat that Trump poses to the country. So the blind squirrel found a couple of nuts.
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He’s not worth listening to in the sense that he’s not providing any original insight. A toddler could’ve told you about the threat Trump poses to the country. Same for Gorka being unqualified.

The stuff he says rings incredibly hollow based on the ideology he subscribes to.
 
A toddler wouldn't be believed. I don't care about or respect his opinion even though, in this case, we agree. However, it's an opinion worth hearing and there are people that will hear it from him who won't from us. It's not about insight, it's about getting the message out. Didn't we just see that this election?
 
finesse said:
A toddler wouldn't be believed. I don't care about or respect his opinion even though, in this case, we agree. However, it's an opinion worth hearing and there are people that will hear it from him who won't from us. It's not about insight, it's about getting the message out. Didn't we just see that this election?
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Again, who is listening to Bolton that is still on team Trump? Was this not the whole theory of Harris’ campaign? That the “normal Republicans” would turn against him by hearing other “normal Republicans” speaking out against Trump?

Anyone that gives a damn what Bolton has to say either voted for Harris or wrote in Ronald Reagan or something. We don’t need a Jesse Helms acolyte in our coalition.
 
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