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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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Duke Mu said:
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It will be over in 24 hours

kyivindependent.com

Russia rejects Trump team's reported peace deal proposals on Ukraine, FM Lavrov says

Earlier reports from the Wall Street Journal indicated that Trump’s team is considering a plan to delay Ukraine’s NATO membership by at least 20 years in exchange for continued Western arms supplies and the deployment of European peacekeepers to monitor a ceasefire.
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this was a potemkin "offer." it was never intended to be accepted. it was intended to give putin cover by making it look as though trump was trying. though, not too hard. under that plan, russia keeps the land it took; ukraine has to stay out of nato; and russia gets free of sanctions while giving up . . . . nothing. hmm.

although, it would be funny for ukraine to accept that deal, wait for hostilities to die down, and then join nato in three years and tell putin to suck their dicks.
 
donbosco said:
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The clipping is from April 19, 1978 and refers to the Yes vote on the Panama Canal by U.S. Senator Robert Morgan and the No cast by Jesse Helms.

The day of the vote I had a Poli Sci seminar taught by Professor Federico Gil. The course was ‘Latin America in World Affsirs.” Most of y’all must have been acquainted with the college lore of the late instructor, i.e., students wait 5 minutes for a tardy graduate teaching assistant, 10 for an assistant prof, 15 for an associate, and 20 for a full professor.

That day, Dr. Gil was still not there at the 20 minute mark. So respected was he that no one left.

When he did arrive, over half an hour late, he apologized and thanked us for staying. He explained that he had been delayed by a phone call from a North Carolina Senator seeking advice on the Panama Canal vote. Which one needed no explanation.
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Jesse explaining that he voted no on the Panama Canal treaty because it would be another retreat from the world stage.

And today, the new Jesse Helms are all too willing to retreat from Ukraine and NATO. Amazing how much the Republicans have changed over the past 46 years.
 
Calheel said:
Jesse explaining that he voted no on the Panama Canal treaty because it would be another retreat from the world stage.

And today, the new Jesse Helms are all too willing to retreat from Ukraine and NATO. Amazing how much the Republicans have changed over the past 46 years.
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Jesse was always down for some overseas adventures.
 
Geisterfahrer said:
Jesse was always down for some overseas adventures.
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Indeed. When I was much, much younger in the late 80s I attended a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of which Jesse was a member, and listened while Jesse and his staff made a presentation about the dangers of Communism in Central America. They had made all kinds of fancy charts with colorful graphs and arrows and so forth, and he held court and pointed at the charts occasionally and fulminated for a good while.

What struck me was the general lack of interest from the other Senators, Republican or Democrat - some even left during his presentation and came back after it was over, not because they were snubbing him, but rather it seemed to me because they had more pressing business - and the clear, general air of amusement among the committee staff and reporters and others present among the listeners that "Ol' Jesse" was on another one of his patented anti-Communist tirades. They clearly didn't take him seriously, and it was also obvious that didn't bother him a bit.
 
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Duke Mu said:
The Border/immigration

Inflation

TikTok/Chyna

Peace with Russia



All four pillars of the Trump campaign are over before the administration has even begun.

I guess they'll have to focus on trannies.
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Don't laugh - as their other goals collapse they may very likely decide to dig down on the culture war stuff, such as going after transgender rights at the national level. That's what animates most of their base anyway, at least other than tax cuts (which many of them are unlikely to actually see).
 
gtyellowjacket said:
My doubts are because Elon would have gotten those same loopholes if Harris had won. So would Trump. Musk has gotten them before both with and without Trump. Musk has gotten the contracts for SpaceX with and without Trump too.

I think the reason Elon backed Trump is he wanted the power and especially the attention. I think the reason Trump is putting up with Elon is because Trump wants X to buy Truth Social eventually.
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Harris was very clear that she planned on reversing the Trump tax cuts of 2016 by having the ultra-rich pay more in taxes. Her tax savings were going to go to the middle class, in large part footed by the wealthy pitching in more. She spoke about it non-stop during her campaign. Musk was going to pay more in taxes under a Harris administration. This is really quite simple.
 
UNCatTech said:
So, trump, musk, and vivek are not elites?

You're a lawyer that lives in Buckhead, one of the priciest ever not fulmost affluent parts of Atlanta, you don't believe that the average Joe sees you as elite?

I believe you actually proved @wmheel1287 point about voters not thinking.
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Duke Mu said:
Don't forget the Grifting! Mugs, pens, t-shirts, fake coins, Bibles made in China, etc.
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Despite all of my hints, I didn’t get any Trump merch for Christmas. My daughter did give my wife a personalized Trump mug and a Trump-dressed-like-an-elf ornament so at least I can enjoy that on our tree next year.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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Is this a joke?
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Harris was very clear that she planned on reversing the Trump tax cuts of 2016 by having the ultra-rich pay more in taxes. Her tax savings were going to go to the middle class, in large part footed by the wealthy pitching in more. She spoke about it non-stop during her campaign. Musk was going to pay more in taxes under a Harris administration. This is really quite simple.
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Sure. Just like he did under Biden.
 
1. i don't think its clear what elon's motivations are or have been. he seems pretty red-pilled. maybe its an act. but there's no financial incentive for him to back the neo-nazi party in germany and yet . . .

2. for that reason, sununu's statement is ridiculous. we don't know. i suspect elon is mostly looking to protect spacex's dominance and also he wants to maintain his security clearance which would have almost certainly been revoked by kamala. but maybe he's just riding his own jock and feeling the power. or maybe he's even more transactional than i am suggesting.
 
superrific said:
this was a potemkin "offer." it was never intended to be accepted. it was intended to give putin cover by making it look as though trump was trying. though, not too hard. under that plan, russia keeps the land it took; ukraine has to stay out of nato; and russia gets free of sanctions while giving up . . . . nothing. hmm.

although, it would be funny for ukraine to accept that deal, wait for hostilities to die down, and then join nato in three years and tell putin to suck their dicks.
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I guess. Let's not pretend that Trump has any strategic plan, or a concept thereof. There's something transactional at play...like stalling or some forgiveness for the $1B Trump still owes to oligarchs.
 
evrheel said:
Is this a joke?
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No matter how many times it is pointed out to conservatives that polls consistently show that a "green agenda" and "wokeness" are actually quite popular with a majority of Americans, or that those "nanny state" regulations during covid actually helped to save people's lives, and that what Republicans mean by rolling back "excessive regulations" are rolling back things like polio vaccine mandates and the FDA that help to provide sanitary food, they still keep posting this stuff, not only here but on social media and elsewhere. It's the usual case of if they say it over and over enough it becomes true, at least to them.

Also, I thought Trump won because of the economy, not all of this culture war stuff. It would be nice if conservatives could make up their minds as to what gave Dear Leader his victory (by all of 1.3% in the popular vote, one of the closest ever). In some posts it's the economy, but in another thread it's "wokeness" and "excessive nanny state regulations" and in another thread it's Democrats promoting "transgenderism." Whatever works at the moment I guess.
 
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