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In all honesty you guys wouldn't know truth if it hit you in the ass because you never step outside the world of the View and maddow. At least I know when fox news is lying.
Whats up with this ridiculous assertion that everyone who leans left watches MSNBC? I honestly don't know anyone personally who does. I do know a ton who watch Newsmax, Fox News, and OAN all the time...but even so i don't assume that every Trump voters does that.
 
Whats up with this ridiculous assertion that everyone who leans left watches MSNBC? I honestly don't know anyone personally who does. I do know a ton who watch Newsmax, Fox News, and OAN all the time...but even so i don't assume that every Trump voters does that.
And on top of that, who actually watches the View? I mean there are clearly people who watch it, but it doesn't even ping my radar as a political show. At least accusing us of watching MCNBC makes some level of sense.
 
Point made.

You are way to involved in the political climate of this country.

You always have been.

Tell me this... How many rights did Trump 45 take from you or anyone you know?

How did he change this country into a "fascists state?"

Did he take away the right for gay marriage? Women to vote?

No... you like to make a huge issue out of a person that you disagree with and scream that the world is ending. It didn't 45 years ago when Reagan was elected and the same group of "intellectuals" were saying the same damn thing.

The schtick is old. Get over it. Your party lost. If you have mental issues, emotional issues over a damn election then I'd suggest you stay off of public boards that offer differing opinions.

Sorry.. thems the facts jack.
Guess you missed the latest where republicans are trying, again, to repeal gay marriage.

Also, 45 had guard rails. Notice most of those people came out against him in the campaign. He is putting nothing but yes men/women into leadership roles this term and he doesn't need to worry about another election, so we will see if this term parallels the first term in anyway.

I hope that in 4 years we can look back and say it didn't turn out like we feared. Guess we will see.
 
The guy in charge of his detail? Yikes. I thought the people on his detail should all have been reassigned to lower profile protectees.
Why, that incident seems to have been a positive for him. It almost makes the conspiracy nuts, saying it was staged, seem credible.
 
In all honesty you guys wouldn't know truth if it hit you in the ass because you never step outside the world of the View and maddow. At least I know when fox news is lying.
It's pretty easy with fox, like trump, the only lie.

I've basically stopped watching TV news.
 
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DOGE committee is eyeing federal diversity programs, mostly minority set asides for federal contracts. I think there may be some savings as the contracts are open to a wider pool of competition, but this is mostly about ending race and probably gender based favoritism. I approve of ending the racially biased contracting. I don't think they should end empowerment zones.

 
Other DOGE news. Federal employees are editing their job profiles to remove mentions of policy and diversity. Probably smart of them. I think it speaks to the Herculean task of paring down a government bureaucracy without cutting too many valuable government services. Its a lot easier to search for keywords than it is to understand what each role in the agency does.

 
DOGE committee is eyeing federal diversity programs, mostly minority set asides for federal contracts. I think there may be some savings as the contracts are open to a wider pool of competition, but this is mostly about ending race and probably gender based favoritism. I approve of ending the racially biased contracting. I don't think they should end empowerment zones.



It’s about DEI not budget savings.

The end of support for women and minority owned businesses in government contracting was very much intended as a response to actual racial and gender bias in government contracting decisions. Is it still necessary? My guess is that among the folks implementing the change in the incoming administration, the result will just be to return to good old days racial and gender bias in contracting decisions and call that neutral/fair.

But maybe the decades of actively giving women and minority owned businesses a shot has had time to build enough businesses that the program is not needed anymore. Unfortunately I don’t trust the Trump Admin to conduct an honest test of such a proposition. But I guess we will find out.

I very much doubt that ending such programs will create any meaningful cost savings by creating some larger pool of contractors though. In most cases, the minority/gender support only kicks in if there are multiple contract bids that are competitive.

But there are small business set-asides for licensed minority and women owned companies certified by SBA — accounting for 5% of government contracts available to small businesses (which excludes most big ticket stuff, like Military and law enforcement equipment). SBA 8a contracting opportunities aren’t just based on race and gender, though, they support small businesses owned by any person facing social disadvantages or disabilities.

The Federal Government also requires that 23% of all government contracts go to small businesses, btw, and the 5% set-aside is a subset of the 23% (so, if there are 100 government contracts that year, 23 of them must go to small business and then 5% of the 23 small business set aside contracts (so one of them) must go to certified minority owned businesses. The competition for those set asides IS pretty low because there are relatively few businesses so certified by the SBA and they span across a lot of services and service areas.

The most successful 8a small business are the ones that develop relationships with large government contractors who include the 8a business as a subcontractor to demonstrate that the big contract also helps satisfy government policy to support disadvantaged business. The prime contractor does most of the government contractor heavy lifting on the bid process and the disadvantaged business gets a shot to go along for the ride as a subcontractor.
 
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Why, that incident seems to have been a positive for him. It almost makes the conspiracy nuts, saying it was staged, seem credible.
The director of the Service took the heat and resigned, but she sure as hell wasn’t involved in the day-to-day logistics of protecting Trump. That was the responsibility of the guy Trump wants to put in charge of the whole agency. It’s ridiculous to give full organizational oversight to the guy in charge of the biggest agency failure in decades. He had ONE job- protecting Donald Trump. If he wasn’t confident in the security of the site, he shouldn’t have let Trump go out there.
 
Here is a summary of this board (mostly speaking in generalities):

- Moderating is pretty damn fair which is a huge change from IC. You can give back the same level of vitriol you receive without being banned for being a pub.
- There needs to be more conservative posters on this board who are sincere in discussing politics. Certainly don't need more assholes.
I can agree with this.

But when you throw out the TDS bullshit, it doesn't help your cause.

Every conservative here knows if Trump had ran the exact campaign as a Democrat, with the constant lying, divisive, mean approach, that they would say he is unfit. But because he ran as a republican, most just make excuses and pretend the lies are ok.

I really am astonished at how many conservatives say: oh he's not really going to do that. We'll then, why did he say that he plans to do it?

While I disagree with many conservative positions, I don't simply see conservatives as bad people. I do see trump as a bad person. And I question those who claim certain views, but still voted for Trump when he clearly didn't align with those views. Both cannot be true.
 
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It’s about DEI not budget savings.

The end of support for women and minority owned businesses in government contracting was very much intended as a response to actual racial and gender bias in government contracting decisions. Is it still necessary? My guess is that among the folks implementing the change in the incoming administration, the result will just be to return to good old days racial and gender bias in contracting decisions and call that neutral/fair.

But maybe the decades of actively giving women and minority owned businesses a shot has had time to build enough businesses that the program is not needed anymore. Unfortunately I don’t trust the Trump Admin to conduct an honest test of such a proposition. But I guess we will find out.

I very much doubt that ending such programs will create any meaningful cost savings by creating some larger pool of contractors though. In most cases, the minority/gender support only kicks in if there are multiple contract bids that are competitive.

But there are small business set-asides for licensed minority and women owned companies certified by SBA — accounting for 5% of government contracts available to small businesses (which excludes most big ticket stuff, like Military and law enforcement equipment). SBA 8a contracting opportunities aren’t just based on race and gender, though, they support small businesses owned by any person facing social disadvantages or disabilities.

The Federal Government also requires that 23% of all government contracts go to small businesses, btw, and the 5% set-aside is a subset of the 23% (so, if there are 100 government contracts that year, 23 of them must go to small business and then 5% of the 23 small business set aside contracts (so one of them) must go to certified minority owned businesses. The competition for those set asides IS pretty low because there are relatively few businesses so certified by the SBA and they span across a lot of services and service areas.

The most successful 8a small business are the ones that develop relationships with large government contractors who include the 8a business as a subcontractor to demonstrate that the big contract also helps satisfy government policy to support disadvantaged business. The prime contractor does most of the government contractor heavy lifting on the bid process and the disadvantaged business gets a shot to go along for the ride as a subcontractor.

You probably have more work experience with this than I do, but this is very much consistent with my understanding as well. In short, the VAST majority of our government contract spending, and almost all of it on the defense side, is with very large companies who are making most of their money on volume rather than on margins. And the leadership of those companies is being given a seat at the table in Trump's "populist" administration, so the chances there's any material cutback in what we're paying to the Lockheeds and RTXes of the world are extremely slim.
 


It’s about DEI not budget savings.

The end of support for women and minority owned businesses in government contracting was very much intended as a response to actual racial and gender bias in government contracting decisions. Is it still necessary? My guess is that among the folks implementing the change in the incoming administration, the result will just be to return to good old days racial and gender bias in contracting decisions and call that neutral/fair.

But maybe the decades of actively giving women and minority owned businesses a shot has had time to build enough businesses that the program is not needed anymore. Unfortunately I don’t trust the Trump Admin to conduct an honest test of such a proposition. But I guess we will find out.

I very much doubt that ending such programs will create any meaningful cost savings by creating some larger pool of contractors though. In most cases, the minority/gender support only kicks in if there are multiple contract bids that are competitive.

But there are small business set-asides for licensed minority and women owned companies certified by SBA — accounting for 5% of government contracts available to small businesses (which excludes most big ticket stuff, like Military and law enforcement equipment). SBA 8a contracting opportunities aren’t just based on race and gender, though, they support small businesses owned by any person facing social disadvantages or disabilities.

The Federal Government also requires that 23% of all government contracts go to small businesses, btw, and the 5% set-aside is a subset of the 23% (so, if there are 100 government contracts that year, 23 of them must go to small business and then 5% of the 23 small business set aside contracts (so one of them) must go to certified minority owned businesses. The competition for those set asides IS pretty low because there are relatively few businesses so certified by the SBA and they span across a lot of services and service areas.

The most successful 8a small business are the ones that develop relationships with large government contractors who include the 8a business as a subcontractor to demonstrate that the big contract also helps satisfy government policy to support disadvantaged business. The prime contractor does most of the government contractor heavy lifting on the bid process and the disadvantaged business gets a shot to go along for the ride as a subcontractor.

"The prime contractor does most of the government contractor heavy lifting on the bid process and the disadvantaged business gets a shot to go along for the ride as a subcontractor."

I'm not sure that's what we really want. Ideally we would have taken the 50 to 60 years of minority set-asides to build up the knowledge base within those communities. I'm sure some of that happened but I do think there's plenty of window dressing that makes some minority rich without really providing much value to the taxpayers. I don't think that sort of contracting is the best use of tax dollars.

I think that the minority contractors that provide the best value for the money are going to do just fine if these changes go through either as primes or subs. I think if a minority contractor is simply putting the invoice on their paper in exchange for a slight markup, this will weed them out.
 
You probably have more work experience with this than I do, but this is very much consistent with my understanding as well. In short, the VAST majority of our government contract spending, and almost all of it on the defense side, is with very large companies who are making most of their money on volume rather than on margins. And the leadership of those companies is being given a seat at the table in Trump's "populist" administration, so the chances there's any material cutback in what we're paying to the Lockheeds and RTXes of the world are extremely slim.
I honestly think we will see negligible cost savings. Congress still has the power on almost all of this. They will use the DOGE committee's recommendations as cover to cut a few programs they don't like but we are talking millions to at most low billions in savings on a $7T budget.
 
I honestly think we will see negligible cost savings. Congress still has the power on almost all of this. They will use the DOGE committee's recommendations as cover to cut a few programs they don't like but we are talking millions to at most low billions in savings on a $7T budget.
Yeah, I'll admit I don't have a whole lot of certainty about how the next four years will play out, but I would put an enormous amount of money on these two predictions:

1. Our annual federal spending will be at least 10% higher in 2028 than it was in 2024.
2. Our deficit will be at least 20% higher in 2028 than it was in 2024.
 
Yeah, I'll admit I don't have a whole lot of certainty about how the next four years will play out, but I would put an enormous amount of money on these two predictions:

1. Our annual federal spending will be at least 10% higher in 2028 than it was in 2024.
2. Our deficit will be at least 20% higher in 2028 than it was in 2024.
That's a sucker bet if I ever heard one. That's generally what happens when Republicans are in charge.
 
Yeah, I'll admit I don't have a whole lot of certainty about how the next four years will play out, but I would put an enormous amount of money on these two predictions:

1. Our annual federal spending will be at least 10% higher in 2028 than it was in 2024.
2. Our deficit will be at least 20% higher in 2028 than it was in 2024.
I think that's a fair guess. We aren't going to raise taxes much so very little revenue help. I can't imagine this administration doing much to cut defence and no one is going to cut Medicare or social security.

I'm trying to think of a scenario where something might surprise me. I guess I could see Trump pulling back on some of our defense commitments in Europe or Japan or maybe even Korea. That might save some and if those troops end up in the United States, that spending would be redirected stateside.

I could possibly see some tinkering with the Medicare or social security eligibility ages but that seems like a long shot in 4 years when he's not really talking about it now. Maybe working to allow the government to negotiate for prescription drugs. I guess that's not outside the realm of possibility, especially if news gets out there that other countries he doesn't like are paying less and he wants to reinforce his brand of making deals.

He may raise a little bit of revenue with the tariffs but the more likely scenario is that retaliatory tariffs slow economic growth which would slow tax collections.

I think all the above scenarios for lowering the deficit are pretty unlikely.

I guess it's possible that Trump can't get enough support in Congress to extend his previous tax cuts. That's really the only plausible scenario I can think of that would actually make much difference.
 
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