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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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So overall we are currently spending $7Trillion while bringing in $5Trillion, a $2T shortfall. Current deficit is around $35T, so we are on a path right now to be more than 20% over. Add in Trump brilliance and it could be 30%.
 
lawtig02 said:
Right. I'm not going out on a limb. But that just exposes the idiocy of Pubs who think DOGE or anyone else is actually going to be instituting fiscal discipline over the next few years.
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The reality of DOGE is already disintegrating — Ramaswamy has met with the governor of Ohio about getting JD Vance’s open senate seat but openly mulling a run for governor of Ohio next cycle. Meanwhile, they will engage tech bros on no pay temporary contracts to go observe various departments for up to 130 days (the time limit for the statutory exception for such hires) in which time it is difficult to see them doing anything meaningful.

But the illusion of DOGE carries on and got Elon Musk office space in the White House/executive complex.
 
uncmba said:
So overall we are currently spending $7Trillion while bringing in $5Trillion, a $2T shortfall. Current deficit is around $35T, so we are on a path right now to be more than 20% over. Add in Trump brilliance and it could be 30%.
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Our current deficit is $2 trillion. Our current debt is $35 trillion (actually $36 trillion).
 
nycfan said:
The reality of DOGE is already disintegrating — Ramaswamy has met with the governor of Ohio about getting JD Vance’s open senate seat but openly mulling a run for governor of Ohio next cycle. Meanwhile, they will engage tech bros on no pay temporary contracts to go observe various departments for up to 130 days (the time limit for the statutory exception for such hires) in which time it is difficult to see them doing anything meaningful.

But the illusion of DOGE carries on and got Elon Musk office space in the White House/executive complex.
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Yep. Everyone who voted for Trump because of fiscal concerns has already been thoroughly had. And Trump hasn't even taken office yet.
 


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“…
Patel moved to the federal public defender’s office in Miami and then to Washington, working as a counterterrorism attorney in the Justice Department’s national security division (NSD).
“He was just a mid-level employee who did what he was asked to do,” one former NSD official said. “He’s exaggerated what he did, but the work he did was fine.”
One area where Patel appears to have amplified his record, this official and others said, was the federal prosecution of the ringleader of the 2012 attack on the diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya. The assault killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador.

The case was handled by the local U.S. attorney’s office in Washington and the FBI. Patel wrote in his book that he was “leading the prosecution’s efforts” at the Justice Department headquarters in Washington and coordinating multiple teams.
The counterterrorism section in which Patel worked was not in the lead, according to the former NSD official. “He didn’t make any prosecutorial decisions,” this person said. Instead, Patel “was one of several line attorneys” supporting the U.S. attorney’s office.
Patel showed little respect for the chain of command, operating above his level of knowledge, according to two people familiar with the case. He left the Benghazi team after less than a year, when complaints reached senior officials in both the U.S. attorney’s office and the NSD, according to former colleagues.
Patel’s career then began shifting toward Trump. In the spring of 2017, Patel moved to Congress and worked for Rep. Devin Nunes (R-California), then the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He co-authored a 2018 memo accusing the FBI of abusing its surveillance authority to monitor a former Trump campaign adviser. …”

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This guy is just not a qualified or serious candidate for this job. Like at all.
 
uncmba said:
So overall we are currently spending $7Trillion while bringing in $5Trillion, a $2T shortfall. Current deficit is around $35T, so we are on a path right now to be more than 20% over. Add in Trump brilliance and it could be 30%.
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2023 GDP was $27T. I've always heard that a useful yardstick is that we don't want the overall national debt to exceed annual GDP, so we are 30% in the red.

That means for the next generation we will have to:
- address entitlements (give less money to old people, or maintain a 3 to 1 employee ratio, which likely means increased immigration)
- stay out of wars
- grow like hell, with all the attendant concerns of energy, immigration, regulation and the perils of a service economy
- keep interest rates low (which has caused all sorts of mischief this century).

IMO, these are unavoidable policy realities regardless of who is in power over the next 30 years.
 
Serious question: who pays for this "DOGE"? It's not hard to predict who will benefit, and it's not the American taxpayer, IMHO.
 
mynameisbond said:
Serious question: who pays for this "DOGE"? It's not hard to predict who will benefit, and it's not the American taxpayer, IMHO.
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Musk has said it will be zero compensation. No word on how to pay for incidentals like travel.

That's not really what you want. The only people that can afford to take that zero compensation job for months or years are people that are already independently wealthy or maybe people looking for something at the end of the project. I think all those rich folks hoping to work on this would hope for a leadership position shepherding a bunch of workers. But the workers aren't going to work for free so there's going to be a lot of chiefs and not many Indians.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Musk has said it will be zero compensation. No word on how to pay for incidentals like travel.

That's not really what you want. The only people that can afford to take that zero compensation job for months or years are people that are already independently wealthy or maybe people looking for something at the end of the project. I think all those rich folks hoping to work on this would hope for a leadership position shepherding a bunch of workers. But the workers aren't going to work for free so there's going to be a lot of chiefs and not many Indians.
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He's getting benefit from it, clearly. It's not a philanthropic endeavor.
Private contracts to replace services performed by agencies, perhaps? That's already happened with prisons.
Less regulation on his businesses and ventures, maybe?
It's not about reducing waste. The GAO does that. It's about generating capital without oversight.
 
Returning to a society that values generating capital without oversight is, I believe, the "fuck around and find out" part of the equation that will most haunt MAGA folks this go round.
 
nycfan said:
The reality of DOGE is already disintegrating — Ramaswamy has met with the governor of Ohio about getting JD Vance’s open senate seat but openly mulling a run for governor of Ohio next cycle. Meanwhile, they will engage tech bros on no pay temporary contracts to go observe various departments for up to 130 days (the time limit for the statutory exception for such hires) in which time it is difficult to see them doing anything meaningful.

But the illusion of DOGE carries on and got Elon Musk office space in the White House/executive complex.
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DeWine is not going to appoint Ramaswamy. I hear it is a done deal that Lt Gov John Husted will get the appointment. I understand DeWine and Husted were at Mar-a-Lago together recently, although Trump requested Ramaswamy seek the appointment.
 
UNCatTech said:
Guess you missed the latest where republicans are trying, again, to repeal gay marriage.

Also, 45 had guard rails. Notice most of those people came out against him in the campaign. He is putting nothing but yes men/women into leadership roles this term and he doesn't need to worry about another election, so we will see if this term parallels the first term in anyway.

I hope that in 4 years we can look back and say it didn't turn out like we feared. Guess we will see.
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Do you have a link to where the GOP is trying to repeal gay marriage? Or is this just another scream at the sky moment that epitomizes today's Democrats and their party.

Please make a list of ALL the constitutional rights and freedoms that President Trump and the GOP took away in his last administration.

I'll wait and see what you come up with.
 
HesNotHere97 said:
Do you have a link to where the GOP is trying to repeal gay marriage? Or is this just another scream at the sky moment that epitomizes today's Democrats and their party.

Please make a list of ALL the constitutional rights and freedoms that President Trump and the GOP took away in his last administration.

I'll wait and see what you come up with.
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STATE POLITICS: Idaho lawmaker introduces resolution on same-sex marriage By Provided by Legislature

Idaho Rep. Heather Scott, R-Blanchard, proposed a measure to the State Affairs Committee asking the U.S. Supreme Court to reconsider the Obergefell v. Hodges decision that legalized same-sex marriage nationwide and allow Idaho to restore its ban on such unions. It will get a full committee hearing.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news...-politics/article298586433.html#storylink=cpy
 
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