Trump orders troops to “War ravaged Portland” | Fed Judge says not so fast

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superrific said:
Just remember this. I don't want to hear your mewling when you get the same thing coming back as you send out. Hello New York national guard occupying Buckhead.
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Lord I would have LOVED it during the disastrous Mayor Bottoms' reign (2018-2022) when she allowed chaos and lawlessness to become normal in Buckhead in 2020 with riots, street racings, gang shoot outs, etc. Moms getting out of their Range Rovers were car jacked routinely at the Cherokee Club. Her polices prevented police from actively chasing or pursuing criminals. It was terrible. Fortunately, we had Governor Kemp who activated our NG and State Patrol to bring order. But if NY would of liked to send help as well I would have welcomed it.

Mayor Dickens, btw, has done a good restoring law and order and will easily be re elected Mayor. His efforts in getting crime under control essentially ended the "Buckhead City" movement.
 
superrific said:
Yes, that's their definition of terrorism. Not capitulating to thug tactics. Exercising First Amendment rights while protecting against tear has, rubber bullets and other illegal crowd suppression -- terrorism, of course.
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Seems organized to me.....Antifa?
 
Ramrouser said:
Rioters in Portland and Chicago are actively interfering with federal agents doing their jobs; they are vandalizing federal property; assaulting federal agents; doxing and following agents home after work, etc. Hello Texas National Guard!
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Interfering and vandalizing? Sounds like something the ICE agents and/or local law enforcement are perfectly capable of handling. I have seen no real evidence of "assaulting" of federal officers on any widespread level; one dipshit here or there can be easily dealt with (and anyone who assaults a federal officer without justification should be prosecuted, as should any federal agents who break the law in the name of supposedly enforcing it). Not sure that "doxxing" ICE agents is even a crime, much less how the national guard being on the streets would supposedly put a stop to it.

What's next? You want the national guard to show up and start handing out parking tickets? Maybe crack some skulls over littering and open container laws?

Meanwhile your dipshit idol the President and his little Goebbels Jr. run around making repeated claims of cities burning down and a violent domestic terrorist insurrection. They're just dying for an excuse to send federal troops in to murder their fellow Americans. At some point any self-respecting person would get tired of being fed such outrageous lies. But as you've been happy to admit, there's no amount of depravity on Trump's part that you won't excuse as long as you agree with his policy goals.
 
OK ram, you keep an eye out for that insurrection, buddy.

BTW when I google "insurrection" this is the result I get in the AI overview at the top of the page:

"An insurrection is a violent revolt or rebellion against a government by its citizens. The most prominent recent example in the United States is the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of former President Donald Trump, who have since faced legal consequences."

Very funny for the president who has pardoned dozens of insurrectionists to now be concerned about insurrections, huh?
 
Ramrouser said:
Lord I would have LOVED it during the disastrous Mayor Bottoms' reign (2018-2022) when she allowed chaos and lawlessness to become normal in Buckhead in 2020 with riots, street racings, gang shoot outs, etc.
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No, no. Not going after others. Going after the white-collar criminals who have been looting our nation's public and private coffers for far too long. We will stomp out that wave of unspeakable, unfathomable and degenerate crime, of millionaires stealing pensions from grandmothers and killing informants in the streets. If some lawyers happen to get caught up in our crackdown, well, nothing's perfect. Officers make mistakes.

I'm glad to see that you're on board with it.
 
"No. Protection of federal agents and federal facilities and, if things get worse, defend against an insurrection."

That's still a law enforcement task, and it's still policing vandalism. Everyone else in the city relies on the police to protect facilities. The federal government is entitled to rely on that law enforcement. It is not entitled to deploy the military. I mean, seriously dude, wtf is wrong with you?

Show me one country that deployed the military in a law enforcement capacity for any non-isolated, one-time (or few time) occurrences that isn't ruled despotically. Whenever the military gets involved domestically, fascism and dictatorship follows.
 
I just hope that when the time comes -- and it will -- US soldiers have the same courage as their South Korean counterparts.

www.stripes.com

South Korea may reward soldiers who disobeyed ‘improper orders’ during martial law

South Korean soldiers who refused to obey unlawful orders during former President Yoon Suk Yeol’s martial law attempt could receive early promotions, according to the Ministry of National Defense.
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"South Korean soldiers who refused to obey unlawful orders during former President Yoon Suk Yeol’s martial law attempt last year could receive early promotions, according to the Ministry of National Defense."
 
superrific said:
Show me one country that deployed the military in a law enforcement capacity for any non-isolated, one-time (or few time) occurrences that isn't ruled despotically. Whenever the military gets involved domestically, fascism and dictatorship follows.
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I imagine that poster nodding his head to this paragraph. They seem to endorse a dictatorship.
 
rodoheel said:
Of all the things that didn't happen, this didn't happen the most, LOL
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Admittedly that was a bit of humor to lighten the mood. There was a serious carjacking there years ago but in 2020/2021 there were reports of women having their purses or packages snatched while getting out of their cars waiting in the valet line. The women complained that these events were attempted car jackings so the Club put in extra security.
 
lawtig02 said:
I just hope that when the time comes -- and it will -- US soldiers have the same courage as their South Korean counterparts.

www.stripes.com

South Korea may reward soldiers who disobeyed ‘improper orders’ during martial law

South Korean soldiers who refused to obey unlawful orders during former President Yoon Suk Yeol’s martial law attempt could receive early promotions, according to the Ministry of National Defense.
www.stripes.com www.stripes.com

"South Korean soldiers who refused to obey unlawful orders during former President Yoon Suk Yeol’s martial law attempt last year could receive early promotions, according to the Ministry of National Defense."
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My hope has been that the generals would refuse to obey the unlawful orders. If they do not, then the line soldiers would have to disobey the orders of their leaders.

It would have to be the top brass that refuses to obey the unlawful orders from Trump and Hegseth. If they don't refuse, line soldiers are very unlikely to refuse en masse.
 
Ramrouser said:
Admittedly that was a bit of humor to lighten the mood. There was a serious carjacking there years ago but in 2020/2021 there were reports of women having their purses or packages snatched while getting out of their cars waiting in the valet line. The women complained that these events were attempted car jackings so the Club put in extra security.
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It didn't seem like humor at all. In fact, I'm not sure now what joke you are trying to make.

You support the madman in the White House who is making patently false claims about warzones in cities, and then you parrot that exact same logic and it's a joke. So does that mean Trump is also a joke? Does it matter to you whether there actually is crime in the cities? What stops Trump from inventing crimes out of thin air, dispatching the military, and then claiming -- look, the crime is gone! It reminds very much of Lisa Simpson's rock that keeps away tigers.
 
heelinhell said:
My hope has been that the generals would refuse to obey the unlawful orders. If they do not, then the line soldiers would have to disobey the orders of their leaders.

It would have to be the top brass that refuses to obey the unlawful orders from Trump and Hegseth. If they don't refuse, line soldiers are very unlikely to refuse en masse.
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Which is why it has to be clear to everyone involved that there will be a Nuremburg-type commission when this is through.
 
why are you folks summoning the trolls? just ignore them. no need to call attention to them when they are not around. You are doing their job for them.
 
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