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Lots of countries use their military for law enforcement. France has used them continuously for about a decade to combat terrorism.

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Italy uses them for border control and some police functions.

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The UK doesn't use them on a permanent basis but they use them frequently for terrorism and sometimes crowd control. Japan uses them for crowd control and sometimes to protect infrastructure. Canada uses them. This doesn't automatically lead to despotism.
lol That is EXACTLY why we don't! ...and why the 1st and 2nd Amendments are the cornerstones of the Bill of Rights! Separation of Church and State, Freedom of Speech, and keeping local law enforcment local! Hands off our guns and our people, Feds! Throw in Posse Comitatus for good measure.

The US is a No Tyranny Zone.
 
lol That is EXACTLY why we don't! ...and why the 1st and 2nd Amendments are the cornerstones of the Bill of Rights! Separation of Church and State, Freedom of Speech, and keeping local law enforcment local! Hands off our guns and our people, Feds! Throw in Posse Comitatus for good measure.

The US is a No Tyranny Zone.
I know we don't, mostly, and I don't want us to. I was pointing out that there are plenty of countries, liberal democracies, that use the military for domestic police function and don't descend into despotism.

France has deployed regular military troops for internal police functions in addition and separate of the Gendarmes as part of their Opération Sentinelle program for a decade. Italy for even longer as part of their operation “Strade Sicure” (Safe Streets). These are permanent deployments and they're actually pretty big. France deploys something like 10,000 people, mostly army.


The UK semi-regularly deploys troops for police functions. Everybody remembers the soldiers in Northern Ireland during the troubles. More recently they have Operation Temperer that allows the prime minister to call up the military for domestic police duties. They are put under command of the civilian police force. They aren't permanent but they have been caught up a few times and they get reviewed and renewed by Parliament pretty regularly.
 
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I know we don't, mostly, but I was pointing out that there are plenty of countries, liberal democracies, that use the military for domestic police function and don't descend into despotism.

France has deployed regular military troops for internal police functions in addition and separate of the Gendarmes as part of their Opération Sentinelle program for a decade. Italy for even longer as part of their operation “Strade Sicure” (Safe Streets). These are permanent deployments and they're actually pretty big. France deploys something like 10,000 people, mostly army.

The UK semi-regularly deploys troops for police functions. Everybody remembers the soldiers in Northern Ireland during the troubles. More recently they have Operation Temperer that allows the prime minister to call up the military for domestic police duties. They are put under command of the civilian police force. They aren't permanent but they have been caught up a few times and they get reviewed and renewed by Parliament pretty regularly.
Italy is not a liberal democracy.

If the soldiers are under the command of the civilian police force, then they are no longer military. That's just a loan of personnel from one department to another. And did you actually bring up The Troubles as a point in your favor? The Troubles are exactly why military policing is terrible.

Operation Sentinelle is not a permanent deployment. It is also ten years old, so it's a bit early to be declaring that it's all going to work out OK. More importantly, the military soldiers are not being deployed to address fictitious threats. Operation Temperer has been activated twice -- both after major bombings. It would be like activating the national guard to keep peace after OKC bombing. That is not what we are talking about.
 
I can say this about SWAT units from personal observation. The house across the street from us was raided in May by regular police units and a SWAT unit. While the SWAT unit looked like soldiers (they had on military style uniforms and arrived in an armored vehicle) they are definitely part of our local police force. So while law enforcement officers in other countries might be dressed like military personnel, that’s not an indication that they are military personnel.
 
I can say this about SWAT units from personal observation. The house across the street from us was raided in May by regular police units and a SWAT unit. While the SWAT unit looked like soldiers (they had on military style uniforms and arrived in an armored vehicle) they are definitely part of our local police force. So while law enforcement officers in other countries might be dressed like military personnel, that’s not an indication that they are military personnel.
I think you are right. I think a better indication would be a google search on if France or Italy or the UK use military personnel for some domestic law enforcement rather than looking to see if the personnel are wearing camouflage clothing. You could even google search the names of the military operations that I helpfully included in my post to learn more about them. You could explore things like how many military personnel are used in a law enforcement capacity.

And I realize that you, like most people, are already aware that France, Italy and the UK (and Japan and Canada) are not currently ruled despotically. If there is anyone else not exactly up on current events, they can also use that same google search tool to explore the governments of those countries.
 
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I think you are right. I think a better indication would be a google search on if France or Italy or the UK use military personnel for some domestic law enforcement rather than looking to see if the personnel are wearing camouflage clothing. You could even google search the names of the military operations that I helpfully included in my post to learn more about them. You could explore things like how many military personnel are used in a law enforcement capacity.

And I realize that you, like most people, are already aware that France, Italy and the UK (and Japan and Canada) are not currently ruled despotically, if there is anyone else not exactly up on current events, they can also use that same google search tool to explore the governments of those countries.
You continue to lie. Italy, by the way, has had 69 governments since WWII, according to wikipedia. The Ur-Trump, Berlusconi, served two extremely corrupt terms as PM. They basically overhauled their whole government in 1994. Now the leader is Meloni, who is legit fascist -- a woman who built her career in something called the Youth Front, which is apparently as fascist as it sounds.

So forget Italy as a role model. Italy supports my point, not yours. Meanwhile, with the possible exception of France, none of those other countries use the military for law enforcement.

The idea that someone else should google something -- when you routinely fail to do so, and when your post accuracy rate is about 20% -- is farcical.
 

See this, like the donut thing, is EXACTLY how to respond to the administration trying to ramp up the violent provocations at these protests - by just being absolutely silly, and making the trump admin and its goons look silly in turn. This sort of impish but peaceful disobedience contrasts perfectly with the administration trying to cosplay like they're a wartime government under siege.

Fewer protestors in scary-looking (at least to pearl-clutching middle Americans) body armor and face masks, and more in Barney the Dinosaur suits. This is the way. Put on some inflatable suits, grab a donut fishing pole, and go out there and show the administration that we're neither scared of nor falling for their attempts to provoke a violent confrontation.
 
I know we don't, mostly, and I don't want us to. I was pointing out that there are plenty of countries, liberal democracies, that use the military for domestic police function and don't descend into despotism.

France has deployed regular military troops for internal police functions in addition and separate of the Gendarmes as part of their Opération Sentinelle program for a decade. Italy for even longer as part of their operation “Strade Sicure” (Safe Streets). These are permanent deployments and they're actually pretty big. France deploys something like 10,000 people, mostly army.


The UK semi-regularly deploys troops for police functions. Everybody remembers the soldiers in Northern Ireland during the troubles. More recently they have Operation Temperer that allows the prime minister to call up the military for domestic police duties. They are put under command of the civilian police force. They aren't permanent but they have been caught up a few times and they get reviewed and renewed by Parliament pretty regularly.
And those countries forces to go the Europe TWICE in the 20th Century and clean up their damn mess. It forced us to neuter Germany...and Japan after WWII.
 

These are the “independent” “journalists” meeting at the Trump Round Table to discuss leftist violence and Antifa:
  • Nick Sortor - Conservative influencer
  • Nick Shirley - Content Creator, anti-immigration
  • James Klug - Instagram Content Creator
  • Katie Daviscourt - The Post Millennial
  • Brandi Kruse - unDivided YouTube channel; claims to report the real news; she was a reporter for a Fox station in Seattle until she learned that grifting Trumplicans pays more
  • Andy Ngo - The Post Millennial; he wrote a book about Antifa, Unmasked: Inside Antifa’s Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy
  • Julio Rojas - Texas Latino Conservatives
  • Jonathan Choe - Discovery Institute, which, among other things promotes Intelligent Design
  • Cam Higby - Turning Point USA
Fox News is a more legit news source than these clowns.
 
These are the “independent” “journalists” meeting at the Trump Round Table to discuss leftist violence and Antifa:
  • Nick Sortor - Conservative influencer
  • Nick Shirley - Content Creator, anti-immigration
  • James Klug - Instagram Content Creator
  • Katie Daviscourt - The Post Millennial
  • Brandi Kruse - unDivided YouTube channel; claims to report the real news; she was a reporter for a Fox station in Seattle until she learned that grifting Trumplicans pays more
  • Andy Ngo - The Post Millennial; he wrote a book about Antifa, Unmasked: Inside Antifa’s Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy
  • Julio Rojas - Texas Latino Conservatives
  • Jonathan Choe - Discovery Institute, which, among other things promotes Intelligent Design
  • Cam Higby - Turning Point USA
Fox News is a more legit news source than these clowns.
I think we all knew that the "journalists" would be like this, even before you took the time to spell it all out.
 
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