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rodoheel said:
Oh no. ICE officers were surrounded by violent protestors and abandoned by the police? Well I can only assume that those brave ICE officers must have been viciously slaughtered by the domestic terrorists who are attacking them with guns and improvised IEDs. How many of these ICE officers were killed and seriously injured by those lawless Anitfa insurrectionists?
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So you need to see dead ICE officials before the problem is serious? How many?
 
Ramrouser said:
So you need to see dead ICE officials before the problem is serious? How many?
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I think I would need to see at least a couple bruises and scrapes, maybe even a pulled hamstring or two, before I'm willing to acknowledge that there is a terrorist insurrection attacking federal officers with deadly force. I realize, though, that there are many people (you) who are willing to swallow these sorts of obvious lies without applying any critical thought whatsoever.

And if a group of ICE officers were supposedly surrounded by violent protestors and denied necessary help from police...well, if they were able to extricate themselves from that supposedly dangerous situation without incident, one might question how violent the protestors really are and how necessary the police's help really was.
 
sringwal said:
Here's the thing. Not only do I not personally know a single person who identifies as being in an organization under the antifa umbrella, but I haven't even read about a specific person who identifies as such. I recognize that part of this is by design - organizations like antifa eschew figureheads, but don't you find it troubling that you can't name a single prominent member of the organization. Does that not, by itself, indicate to you that concerns about the dangers of antifa are, at least somewhat, overblown?
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What's your point? Are you saying antifa protestors don't exist and aren't organized? I do not personally know a single person who identifies as a "Proud Boy" or similar organization so I guess right wing militia groups don't exist or are overblown.

The Trump administration is investigating and will get to the bottom of whom or what organizations are funding these antifa "protests."
 
I wonder how long it's going to take rightwing dipshits to rehash the laughable lie, repeated dozens of times over the years when protests have broken out, that George Soros was buying pallets of bricks and leaving them for protestors to use? I bet ol' ramrouser forwarded that chain email to his family members or posted it on Facebook several times over the years. I look forward to him posting it here when some right-wing provocateur tweets it in a couple days.
 
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Ramrouser said:
What's your point? Are you saying antifa protestors don't exist and aren't organized? I do not personally know a single person who identifies as a "Proud Boy" or similar organization so I guess right wing militia groups don't exist or are overblown.

The Trump administration is investigating and will get to the bottom of whom or what organizations are funding these antifa "protests."
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Here you go.
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Ramrouser said:
What's your point? Are you saying antifa protestors don't exist and aren't organized? I do not personally know a single person who identifies as a "Proud Boy" or similar organization so I guess right wing militia groups don't exist or are overblown.

The Trump administration is investigating and will get to the bottom of whom or what organizations are funding these antifa "protests."
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I only know a couple of people who identify as Proud Boys; with that in mind, we do know the names of prominent Proud Boys. We don't know anything about anyone within the Antifa organization, or at least I don't. Does that not strike you as odd?
 
Ramrouser said:
So you need to see dead ICE officials before the problem is serious? How many?
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ICE “officials” huh

I don’t believe the number of dead ice “officials” is a good metric to understanding whether there is a serious problem or not. Thousands of kids have been gunned down and that’s not a problem yet let alone a serious problem.
 
Unfortunately, we probably will see ICE officers killed sometime in the next few weeks. Not because protestors get violent, but because someone exercising his or her Second Amendment rights will shoot an armed, masked person with no visible identification rather than being hauled away in a van.
 
lawtig02 said:
Unfortunately, we probably will see ICE officers killed sometime in the next few weeks. Not because protestors get violent, but because someone exercising his or her Second Amendment rights will shoot an armed, masked person with no visible identification rather than being hauled away in a van.
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I truly hope this doesn't happen. But I can promise you that if any ICE officer is killed they will receive a level of adulation and deification that perhaps only Charlie Kirk has previously merited. MAGA will talk 15 times more about whoever that person is than they ever did about the Capitol Police killed and wounded in the J6 assault. Or, heck, about any of the other cops who are routinely killed in the line of duty, like those three Pennsylvania cops ambushed by a psycho stalker with an AR-15 in Pennsylvania a few weeks ago.
 
In a rational world, the Pubs' support for Trump, who fomented the Jan 6 violence and then pardoned the perpetrators of it, would categorically disqualify them from saying a single word about law and order. Alas, MAGA has left the rational world far, far behind.
 
Ramrouser said:
What's your point? Are you saying antifa protestors don't exist and aren't organized? I do not personally know a single person who identifies as a "Proud Boy" or similar organization so I guess right wing militia groups don't exist or are overblown.

The Trump administration is investigating and will get to the bottom of whom or what organizations are funding these antifa "protests."
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Antifa is a concept. Like MAGA. There is no head of Antifa. There is no vice head. It is simply a branding of people who are reactionaries to alt-right fascists.

There are people who organize on the internet and describe themselves as Antifa, much like people who describe themselves as MAGA. But that is fundamentally different than something like ProudBoys, which has a leader and chapters and an organized structure with fundraising. Or like Hamas.
 
lawtig02 said:
Unfortunately, we probably will see ICE officers killed sometime in the next few weeks. Not because protestors get violent, but because someone exercising his or her Second Amendment rights will shoot an armed, masked person with no visible identification rather than being hauled away in a van.
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Absolutely. Trump, miller, noem, homan, and basically everyone in the administration know and are becoming impatient that it hasn’t happened yet.
 
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