Trump Retribution Phase | Trump post demands Bondi prosecute his enemies

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TarSpiel said:
I think I disagree with this.

I think Trump has a unique level of charisma, and I think that if he were gone, a bunch of wannabes would/will absolutely destroy themselves trying to replace him.

I do think he is a symptom of greater ills, but he just has a power to coalesce and browbeat people around him that is unique. The only person right now I'd worry about replacing that level of cult devotion would be Elon, but he keeps digging his own grave every day in that regard.

MAGA is going to become a circular firing squad once he's gone. And the sooner the better IMO.

I'll take all the heat from the board conservatives that go, "Hey look, all these liberals wish he had been taken down" and ya'll can go, "No, that's just Tarspiel, he's a whacko."
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I agree with many parts of this. I do think Trump has a unique blend of charisma and depravity that few, if any. others can pull off. I do think that, in the right circumstances, the post-Trump Republican Party could pull itself apart as the hyenas compete in their likely pathetic efforts to imitate Trump. I simply think that (1) a situation where Trump was assassinated on the campaign trail would not be one where the party would tear itself apart through internal strife, and (2) you are underestimating just how ugly the MAGA base could and would have gotten in the wake of a Trump assassination - possibly spiraling out into something almost incomprehensibly ugly for the country as a whole. And at the end of it, I still think we would have ended up with Republicans winning the presidency, along with likely even more seats in Congress - potentially with a guy in Trump's place (Vance) who could be even more dangerous because he probably is (and his benefactor Peter Thiel certainly is) more serious about being an actual tyrant than Trump is.
 
rodoheel said:
I agree with many parts of this. I do think Trump has a unique blend of charisma and depravity that few, if any. others can pull off. I do think that, in the right circumstances, the post-Trump Republican Party could pull itself apart as the hyenas compete in their likely pathetic efforts to imitate Trump. I simply think that (1) a situation where Trump was assassinated on the campaign trail would not be one where the party would tear itself apart through internal strife, and (2) you are underestimating just how ugly the MAGA base could and would have gotten in the wake of a Trump assassination - possibly spiraling out into something almost incomprehensibly ugly for the country as a whole. And at the end of it, I still think we would have ended up with Republicans winning the presidency, along with likely even more seats in Congress - potentially with a guy in Trump's place (Vance) who could be even more dangerous because he probably is (and his benefactor Peter Thiel certainly is) more serious about being an actual tyrant than Trump is.
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I hope we never find out but I think Trump wants to be a tyrant far more than Vance would. I can’t stand Vance for innumerable reasons. But I don’t think he would be as overtly and unapologetically power hungry as Trump is right now. Trump is acting like an unfiltered version of Putin or Mussolini.
 
theel4life said:
What plot? There was no plot. What the fuck are they talking about?
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Anything they can to deflect people's attention from the Epstein Files and Trump's obviously panicked refusal to release them. Releasing FBI files on MLK, making wild bullshit claims about Obama, any shiny object that will divert the media and especially his base from the Epstein Files.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Anything they can to deflect people's attention from the Epstein Files and Trump's obviously panicked refusal to release them. Releasing FBI files on MLK, making wild bullshit claims about Obama, any shiny object that will divert the media and especially his base from the Epstein Files.
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You know what would really divert their attention from the Epstein Files? Resignation.
 
lawtig02 said:
I hope we never find out but I think Trump wants to be a tyrant far more than Vance would. I can’t stand Vance for innumerable reasons. But I don’t think he would be as overtly and unapologetically power hungry as Trump is right now. Trump is acting like an unfiltered version of Putin or Mussolini.
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I think we've talked about this before but I really do not think Trump wants to be a "tyrant." He is an authoritarian through and through in that he wants to be the sole decision-maker, the big important boy who does everything and gets all the credit, and he doesn't want inconvenient things like Congress or laws or courts to get in his way or tell him that he can't do something. But he doesn't have any genuine desire to violently oppress people or instigate a reign of terror, for a lot of the same reasons you see all the "TACO" stuff: he's fundamentally a coward. He wants his face on Mt. Rushmore, and to be adored and worshipped as a great man and leader, and all of that stuff, but he isn't out there having his political enemies assassinated or dissidents tortured. That's why sometimes I think the Hitler/Mussolini comments miss the mark. He's not truly bent on turning our nation into an engine of conquest or destruction. He just wants to be able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants to, and be praised for it.

Now, there are people in the Trump admin who would be fine with making him into a tyrant, with Stephen Miller certainly at the top of the list. if Miller thought he could get away with it, he would love to stage show trials worthy of Lenin or Robespierre, or create a modern brownshirts that go around beating minorities up in the streets. Miller and his ilk truly are "blood and soil" nationalists, and they've succeeded in getting trump to buy into some of their agenda, particularly in the realm of immigration. But Trump isn't really a true believer in that stuff, which is why you see Trump balk on mass immigration enforcement as soon as people he respects start telling him it's going to hurt the economy.

This is not to discount the real and immediate danger of a Trump admin. Trump's desire to be praised and his inclination to assert his authority are having real and terrible consequences, both immediate and long-term, and doing incalculable damage to critical government institutions. His administration, with the aid of the Supreme Court, could be paving the way for a real tyrant to easily seize power and do some truly awful things. And as alluded to above, there are some really nasty people in the admin who are being given a long leash to live our their personal white nationalist fantasies because their interests frequently align with Trump's and he doesn't care enough to stop them. But I just think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump to think that he is interested at all in sitting on a pile of skulls or throwing liberals into concentration or extermination camps or something. He's stupid and fickle and petty enough that he could be manipulated into doing that by others - which is part of why he's such a huge danger - but it's not his plan or his goal.

Compare that to Vance, who is (1) much more intelligent than Trump is; (2) out there talking like a "blood and soil" true believer to whoever will put a microphone in front of his face; and (3) backed (maybe essentially owned) by Peter Thiel, who has some of the most extreme authoritarian desires you can imagine. I don't know for sure how he would act if suddenly became president. But personally I think there's more danger that he would actually become a true tyrant than Trump.
 
MOUNTAINH33L said:
I think they're going to try.
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I'd be really surprised if they actually try to arrest Obama. Trump's advisors are smart enough to understand that doing so would be incredibly unpopular with anyone outside of the true MAGA believers. On this subject, Trump has always been all talk, no action (another reason why I always thought the Biden end-of-term pardons were a mistake; I don't think the Biden family members who were pardoned were really in that much danger.) I think it would be a huge political error for Trump to arrest and try to prosecute Obama for this, so even thought it would personally suck a lot for Obama, I kinda hope they try to do it.
 
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