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I think we've talked about this before but I really do not think Trump wants to be a "tyrant." He is an authoritarian through and through in that he wants to be the sole decision-maker, the big important boy who does everything and gets all the credit, and he doesn't want inconvenient things like Congress or laws or courts to get in his way or tell him that he can't do something. But he doesn't have any genuine desire to violently oppress people or instigate a reign of terror, for a lot of the same reasons you see all the "TACO" stuff: he's fundamentally a coward. He wants his face on Mt. Rushmore, and to be adored and worshipped as a great man and leader, and all of that stuff, but he isn't out there having his political enemies assassinated or dissidents tortured. That's why sometimes I think the Hitler/Mussolini comments miss the mark. He's not truly bent on turning our nation into an engine of conquest or destruction. He just wants to be able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants to, and be praised for it.

Now, there are people in the Trump admin who would be fine with making him into a tyrant, with Stephen Miller certainly at the top of the list. if Miller thought he could get away with it, he would love to stage show trials worthy of Lenin or Robespierre, or create a modern brownshirts that go around beating minorities up in the streets. Miller and his ilk truly are "blood and soil" nationalists, and they've succeeded in getting trump to buy into some of their agenda, particularly in the realm of immigration. But Trump isn't really a true believer in that stuff, which is why you see Trump balk on mass immigration enforcement as soon as people he respects start telling him it's going to hurt the economy.

This is not to discount the real and immediate danger of a Trump admin. Trump's desire to be praised and his inclination to assert his authority are having real and terrible consequences, both immediate and long-term, and doing incalculable damage to critical government institutions. His administration, with the aid of the Supreme Court, could be paving the way for a real tyrant to easily seize power and do some truly awful things. And as alluded to above, there are some really nasty people in the admin who are being given a long leash to live our their personal white nationalist fantasies because their interests frequently align with Trump's and he doesn't care enough to stop them. But I just think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump to think that he is interested at all in sitting on a pile of skulls or throwing liberals into concentration or extermination camps or something. He's stupid and fickle and petty enough that he could be manipulated into doing that by others - which is part of why he's such a huge danger - but it's not his plan or his goal.

Compare that to Vance, who is (1) much more intelligent than Trump is; (2) out there talking like a "blood and soil" true believer to whoever will put a microphone in front of his face; and (3) backed (maybe essentially owned) by Peter Thiel, who has some of the most extreme authoritarian desires you can imagine. I don't know for sure how he would act if suddenly became president. But personally I think there's more danger that he would actually become a true tyrant than Trump.
Well said and I agree with about 98% of it. I agree the most dire threat in the Trump administration is people like Miller and Homan, not Trump himself. I just think Trump is a unique instrument for those would-be tyrants to use, as he’s willing to say anything, no matter how extreme or absurd, and he has a literally incomprehensible amount of loyalty among his base.

Where we might disagree is whether a Vance manipulated by Thiel is more of a threat than a Trump manipulated by Miller. I think not, but I may be wrong. And again, I hope we never have to find out.
 
I think we've talked about this before but I really do not think Trump wants to be a "tyrant." He is an authoritarian through and through in that he wants to be the sole decision-maker, the big important boy who does everything and gets all the credit, and he doesn't want inconvenient things like Congress or laws or courts to get in his way or tell him that he can't do something. But he doesn't have any genuine desire to violently oppress people or instigate a reign of terror, for a lot of the same reasons you see all the "TACO" stuff: he's fundamentally a coward. He wants his face on Mt. Rushmore, and to be adored and worshipped as a great man and leader, and all of that stuff, but he isn't out there having his political enemies assassinated or dissidents tortured. That's why sometimes I think the Hitler/Mussolini comments miss the mark. He's not truly bent on turning our nation into an engine of conquest or destruction. He just wants to be able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants to, and be praised for it.

Now, there are people in the Trump admin who would be fine with making him into a tyrant, with Stephen Miller certainly at the top of the list. if Miller thought he could get away with it, he would love to stage show trials worthy of Lenin or Robespierre, or create a modern brownshirts that go around beating minorities up in the streets. Miller and his ilk truly are "blood and soil" nationalists, and they've succeeded in getting trump to buy into some of their agenda, particularly in the realm of immigration. But Trump isn't really a true believer in that stuff, which is why you see Trump balk on mass immigration enforcement as soon as people he respects start telling him it's going to hurt the economy.

This is not to discount the real and immediate danger of a Trump admin. Trump's desire to be praised and his inclination to assert his authority are having real and terrible consequences, both immediate and long-term, and doing incalculable damage to critical government institutions. His administration, with the aid of the Supreme Court, could be paving the way for a real tyrant to easily seize power and do some truly awful things. And as alluded to above, there are some really nasty people in the admin who are being given a long leash to live our their personal white nationalist fantasies because their interests frequently align with Trump's and he doesn't care enough to stop them. But I just think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump to think that he is interested at all in sitting on a pile of skulls or throwing liberals into concentration or extermination camps or something. He's stupid and fickle and petty enough that he could be manipulated into doing that by others - which is part of why he's such a huge danger - but it's not his plan or his goal.

Compare that to Vance, who is (1) much more intelligent than Trump is; (2) out there talking like a "blood and soil" true believer to whoever will put a microphone in front of his face; and (3) backed (maybe essentially owned) by Peter Thiel, who has some of the most extreme authoritarian desires you can imagine. I don't know for sure how he would act if suddenly became president. But personally I think there's more danger that he would actually become a true tyrant than Trump.
Agree with that post.

Although, you lost me a bit with “….as soon as people he respects start telling him……”
  • I doubt Trump respects anyone
  • No one “tells Trump”” anything
 
Agree with that post.

Although, you lost me a bit with “….as soon as people he respects start telling him……”
  • I doubt Trump respects anyone
  • No one “tells Trump”” anything
"People he listens to" would be more apt than "people he trusts" but yes, even though Trump constantly makes things up about conversations he supposedly had, people do constantly tell Trump things, which you often see reflected in his abrupt reversals of policy. Like the specific example I was referencing: Trump's abrupt about-face where he suddenly declared that farm and factory workers should be exempted from immigration enforcement absolutely happened because some conservative rich people (basically the only people Trump listens to) told him that it would hurt the economy to round those people up (read: it would hurt their own business interests).
 
Hmmm. As of last night, I can see Trump’s Truth Social feed again. That site is so damned glitchy (and the Company is really a $2 billion and growing Bitcoin piggy bank now).

Anyway

 
I think they're being loud about it precisely because they won't try. After all, Hillary is still not locked up.
Pfft. According to Qanon, Trump vanquished her in the spirit plane shortly after his first election. Not kidding. That happened. The delusion, that is.
 
I still think it's highly unlikely they'll be stupid enough to arrest Obama or even bring criminal charges against him, but I have to say, the tone of this is getting worse by the day and we're not far at all from people calling for Obama's execution from the White House briefing room.
 
Perhaps that’s what it’ll take for folks to start taking to the streets in large numbers.
YES, YES, YES,.....! And, "non-violence only works if the opponent has a conscience" - Stokely Carmichael. And, the current Republican Party certainly does not have a conscience. Don't want it; but, we know that violence is eventually going to happen. At some point some people are going to say we are mad as hell and we're not taking it anymore. Then the stinky is going to hit the wall.
 
I think we've talked about this before but I really do not think Trump wants to be a "tyrant." He is an authoritarian through and through in that he wants to be the sole decision-maker, the big important boy who does everything and gets all the credit, and he doesn't want inconvenient things like Congress or laws or courts to get in his way or tell him that he can't do something. But he doesn't have any genuine desire to violently oppress people or instigate a reign of terror, for a lot of the same reasons you see all the "TACO" stuff: he's fundamentally a coward. He wants his face on Mt. Rushmore, and to be adored and worshipped as a great man and leader, and all of that stuff, but he isn't out there having his political enemies assassinated or dissidents tortured. That's why sometimes I think the Hitler/Mussolini comments miss the mark. He's not truly bent on turning our nation into an engine of conquest or destruction. He just wants to be able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants to, and be praised for it.

Now, there are people in the Trump admin who would be fine with making him into a tyrant, with Stephen Miller certainly at the top of the list. if Miller thought he could get away with it, he would love to stage show trials worthy of Lenin or Robespierre, or create a modern brownshirts that go around beating minorities up in the streets. Miller and his ilk truly are "blood and soil" nationalists, and they've succeeded in getting trump to buy into some of their agenda, particularly in the realm of immigration. But Trump isn't really a true believer in that stuff, which is why you see Trump balk on mass immigration enforcement as soon as people he respects start telling him it's going to hurt the economy.

This is not to discount the real and immediate danger of a Trump admin. Trump's desire to be praised and his inclination to assert his authority are having real and terrible consequences, both immediate and long-term, and doing incalculable damage to critical government institutions. His administration, with the aid of the Supreme Court, could be paving the way for a real tyrant to easily seize power and do some truly awful things. And as alluded to above, there are some really nasty people in the admin who are being given a long leash to live our their personal white nationalist fantasies because their interests frequently align with Trump's and he doesn't care enough to stop them. But I just think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump to think that he is interested at all in sitting on a pile of skulls or throwing liberals into concentration or extermination camps or something. He's stupid and fickle and petty enough that he could be manipulated into doing that by others - which is part of why he's such a huge danger - but it's not his plan or his goal.

Compare that to Vance, who is (1) much more intelligent than Trump is; (2) out there talking like a "blood and soil" true believer to whoever will put a microphone in front of his face; and (3) backed (maybe essentially owned) by Peter Thiel, who has some of the most extreme authoritarian desires you can imagine. I don't know for sure how he would act if suddenly became president. But personally I think there's more danger that he would actually become a true tyrant than Trump.
I agree with you that Trump doesn't want to be a tyrant. It's not a goal nor dream of his, he just wants to be accepted and loved, particularly by the elites who have long marginalized him.

But I don't think that means that Trump wouldn't actively accept becoming a tyrant. While not a psychiatrist, my take is that Trump has a Cluster B disorder; folks in that group who are repeatedly criticized often experience intense feelings of rejection leading to intense anger leading to intense desires to feel accepted/loved again leading to extreme actions to be restored to their "proper place". That is the path that Trump would willing walk to become a tyrant, if he thought that it would make folks "love" him and treat him "appropriately".

I agree that there are folks within Trump's administration that would love for him to be a tyrant toward their goals, but I don't think we should underestimate Trump's natural inclination toward tyranny. If he feels "disrespected" enough, he will certainly turn to tyranny to soothe his hurt ego. (Which is a great way to understand J6, btw.)
 
It's like a geriatric rock band that's still on tour with only one or two original members and they play the classics from a couple decades ago, and it's just kind of sad. Like, we all know the songs and we all know they used to be entertaining and get the crowd going, but we've heard them a million times over the years and it's never sounded worse than it does now. You start to realize that even if they were still physically up to it - and they're not - they're phoning it in, and it's probably a money grab because they're broke. And all of a sudden the audience is wondering whether the band knows they know. And it all becomes a little awkward.
 
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