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ZenMode said:
I think that was one of the reasons.

That's separate from the assertion that military being bad in one situation means nobody will welcome them or should welcome them.

Somewhere, a kid will die from a peanut allergy. Does that mean all peanut consumption is bad?
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Crime didn't have anything to do with it. All it is is grandstanding by Trump and probably a test to see how it goes in case he wants to declare martial law before the next election. And we're not talking about people in another country welcoming US troops to help them fight bad people. You're analogy is just dumb.
 
Carolina Fever said:
Crime didn't have anything to do with it. All it is is grandstanding by Trump and probably a test to see how it goes in case he wants to declare martial law before the next election.
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Oh, wow.... you've gone full "far-right, covid conspiracy theorist".
Carolina Fever said:
And we're not talking about people in another country welcoming US troops to help them fight bad people. You're analogy is just dumb.
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It's probably time to revisit the meaning of "conspiracy theory." A conspiracy theory posits a conspiracy that is responsible for something with a much easier explanation. For instance, the obvious reason that hurricanes are getting stronger is that the ocean is warmer because of climate change. A conspiracy theory is that some group of people is doing something unseen to produce the result.

A tell-tale sign of a conspiracy theory is the repeated use of the word they. As in, "they are controlling the weather" or "they are starting fires with space lasers." Sometimes there are slightly more specific versions: "the Jews are controlling the weather" is different grammatically but it is the same idea. The motive force is an unseen person who can't be named.

By contrast, "Trump is doing it" is the opposite of a conspiracy theory. It is the simplest explanation; it is specific; and it doesn't require coordination between anyone for it to occur. It is not a conspiracy theory to say that Trump ordered the bombing of Iran; that Trump has been ordering wind projects to stop; that Trump is calling out the national guard, etc.

In some conspiracy theories, there is a named actor (e.g. George Soros) but the connection of that actor is completely hidden. Again, not the case here. Trump is president. So if the military gets deployed, chances are very high that Trump ordered it. That isn't a conspiracy theory.

As to Trump's motivations, basically all scholars of authoritarianism predicted that he would do just this. Because it's the standard fare for authoritarians. I already pointed out the similarity between Trump's "crime cleanup" and Duterte's. Now, maybe you think that Trump is being honest about his motivations; personally, I think he can't tell the truth if his life depended on it. But whatever.

It's not a fucking conspiracy theory.
 
Carolina Fever said:
No, I am going with the kind of person Trump is and all the things he has done so far that is right out of the fascism playbook. You are just delusional and naive.
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Conspiracy theorists always have their reasoning and when you question it, they always have the next reason. Neither LA or DC was a test run for anything.
 
superrific said:
It's probably time to revisit the meaning of "conspiracy theory." A conspiracy theory posits a conspiracy that is responsible for something with a much easier explanation. For instance, the obvious reason that hurricanes are getting stronger is that the ocean is warmer because of climate change. A conspiracy theory is that some group of people is doing something unseen to produce the result.

A tell-tale sign of a conspiracy theory is the repeated use of the word they. As in, "they are controlling the weather" or "they are starting fires with space lasers." Sometimes there are slightly more specific versions: "the Jews are controlling the weather" is different grammatically but it is the same idea. The motive force is an unseen person who can't be named.

By contrast, "Trump is doing it" is the opposite of a conspiracy theory. It is the simplest explanation; it is specific; and it doesn't require coordination between anyone for it to occur. It is not a conspiracy theory to say that Trump ordered the bombing of Iran; that Trump has been ordering wind projects to stop; that Trump is calling out the national guard, etc.

In some conspiracy theories, there is a named actor (e.g. George Soros) but the connection of that actor is completely hidden. Again, not the case here. Trump is president. So if the military gets deployed, chances are very high that Trump ordered it. That isn't a conspiracy theory.

As to Trump's motivations, basically all scholars of authoritarianism predicted that he would do just this. Because it's the standard fare for authoritarians. I already pointed out the similarity between Trump's "crime cleanup" and Duterte's. Now, maybe you think that Trump is being honest about his motivations; personally, I think he can't tell the truth if his life depended on it. But whatever.

It's not a fucking conspiracy theory.
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It would have been easier to just type "I'm crazy too".

By the way, I agree with the "they" stuff as it relates to conspiracy theories. However, the conspiracy theorist knew that Bill Gates was putting microchips in the COVID vaccine.
 
ZenMode said:
It would have been easier to just type "I'm crazy too".

By the way, I agree with the "they" stuff as it relates to conspiracy theories. However, the conspiracy theorist knew that Bill Gates was putting microchips in the COVID vaccine.
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But Gates wasn't inserting the chips into the vaccines. "They" were doing that for him. In a conspiracy theory, there's always someone behind the scenes that you don't see. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory, and not a lone wolf theory.

That's not the case with Trump. He is literally the only actor here -- well, him and the well-known and not at all hidden military chain of command.

If you don't think Trump is doing a test run -- that is, if you disagree with virtually every scholar of authoritarianism in the country -- fine but it's not a fucking conspiracy theory (nor paranoid nor crazy) to think that he is.
 
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