Trump v Elon: Will their battles become legend?

lawtig02 said:
I know there is literally no end to Trump’s brazen corruption and Elon may be the least sympathetic person in the country, but why is nobody talking about Trump threatening to use the power of the federal government to force Elon and his companies to “face the consequences” if he donates money to Democrats? Is he trying to see how many ethical breaches he can include in one statement?
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Gonna be funny when Elon’s Nazi stuff is all of sudden “antisemitism”
 
lawtig02 said:
I know there is literally no end to Trump’s brazen corruption and Elon may be the least sympathetic person in the country, but why is nobody talking about Trump threatening to use the power of the federal government to force Elon and his companies to “face the consequences” if he donates money to Democrats? Is he trying to see how many ethical breaches he can include in one statement?
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Because all the ethical folks already hate Trump and Trump's base doesn't give a rip.

I mean, if ethical concerns could have derailed Trump, we'd be looking back at the administration of President Hillary right now.
 
Paine said:
Short-term tactical alignment is one thing but even that carries risk. As I said, Musk muddies the waters. To beat Trump and the right, Democrats need to be the anti-oligarch party. That means drawing clear lines, not blurring them for a few bucks. Letting billionaires bankroll opposition while pretending they're not part of the rot just confuses the public and dilutes the message.
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I don’t remotely see him as an ally. I view him as a distraction. It’s like if Russia and China escalated cyber warfare against each other. As long as their primary focus is on taking each other down, they are (at least hopefully) focused less on fucking up the rest of the world.
 
Paine said:
In a very narrow way, I get the instinct to treat Musk as a temporary ally, but that is faulty logic. Musk is not just rich, he is the face of the oligarchy we are supposed to be fighting. He built his empire on public money and worker exploitation, attacks unions and public transit, and now uses his platform to boost white nationalists and undermine democracy.

He does not want to take down the Big Beautiful Bill for the same reasons we do. He wants fewer limits on his power.

Aligning with Musk, even tactically, muddies the message. If Democrats want to build a winning coalition, they have to be the anti-oligarch party. You cannot take on corporate power while cozying up to one of its worst offenders. Musk is the system Dems need to be fighting.
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Any politician who aligns with Musk in any way (even strategically) is one id bust my ass to defeat. You and I agree on that.
 
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finesse said:
Has anyone disrespected or made the office of president more disrespectable than Trump?

Don't bother. It was rhetorical.
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For generations Americans expected presidents to, if nothing else, at least display dignity, class, and good citizenship in public and to not be petty but to bring the country together. Nixon was the first who really started to degrade that notion, but Trump has simply destroyed it. He's turned the office of POTUS into a vulgar, crass reality show that plays to the lowest common denominator and he displays the complete opposite of good citizenship in every way - he's incredibly petty and vindictive and goes out of his way to divide the country at every possible opportunity, even on holidays and tragedies. The office is a bad joke now. And it's very unlikely that the office will ever recover the respect and dignity that it used to have, at least not in my lifetime.
 
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