Trump: "We will take over Gaza and move all Palestinians out"

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Israel was paying Hamas to essentially keep the peace and not do anything stupid. Hamas couldn't even do that right. Israel probably would have tolerated a suicide bombing or continued rocket attacks with limited reprisals, but with something the scale of 10/7 there was no way that Israel could do anything other than a major response.
Didn't Israel consider Hamas a terror group prior to 10/7? If so, then why continue to fund them? It would be similar to the US paying the Alqaeda to "keep the peace" and then act shocked when they commit a violent act. Instead of funding them, they could have allowed the Palestinians to have proper elections and Hamas would have been removed from power. But again, Netanyahu didn't want that. He wanted to continue to feed the wild pitbull and wait for it to attack.
 
Didn't Israel consider Hamas a terror group prior to 10/7? If so, then why continue to fund them? It would be similar to the US paying the Alqaeda to "keep the peace" and then act shocked when they commit a violent act. Instead of funding them, they could have allowed the Palestinians to have proper elections and Hamas would have been removed from power. But again, Netanyahu didn't want that. He wanted to continue to feed the wild pitbull and wait for it to attack.
There are two known reasons that Israel funded Hamas prior to 10/7:

1. Keep the Palestinians divided by fostering competition between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority.

2. Keep Hamas from doing anything stupid.

You can argue that these reasons were misguided or naive, but there is no scenario in which Hamas was paid by Israel to attack Israel. Also pretty bold of you to assume that Hamas would have been removed from power by the very people that overwhelmingly elected them and put them in power in the first place.
 
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Exactly the details matter, I really doubt that trump's plan is to build them nice houses when they are resettled.
It’s not. He just wants them to get the hell out of Gaza. After that, he doesn’t give a shit where they go. And he sure as shit isn’t going to chip in to help them move or build this new utopia that some on this board think is going to just spring out of the desert.
 
There are two known reasons that Israel funded Hamas prior to 10/7:

1. Keep the Palestinians divided by fostering competition between Hamas and the PLO.

2. Keep Hamas from doing anything stupid.

You can argue that these reasons were misguided or naive, but there is no scenario in which Hamas was paid by Israel to attack Israel. Also pretty bold of you to assume that Hamas would have been removed from power by the very people that overwhelmingly elected them and put them in power in the first place.
What do you expect an organization that you consider a terrorist group to do when you fund them and at the same time have them trapped in an open air prison?
Also, the last elections happened nearly 20 years ago. Half the population wasn't even born. It's not a bold chance to think the population has changed it's mind, especially when Hamas had reverted to its old ways and instead of the promises it gives. Why do we have elections every 2 years here? Should we assume that people won't change their views because they voted a certain way in a previous election?
 
What do you expect an organization that you consider a terrorist group to do when you fund them and at the same time have them trapped in an open air prison?
Also, the last elections happened nearly 20 years ago. Half the population wasn't even born. It's not a bold chance to think the population has changed it's mind, especially when Hamas had reverted to its old ways and instead of the promises it gives. Why do we have elections every 2 years here? Should we assume that people won't change their views because they voted a certain way in a previous election?
Open-air prison? Prior to 10/7 Israel didn't control all of Gaza's borders. Access into Israel was controlled, but what about Egypt?

I don't think it is bold to assume that Hamas would remain the elected authority in Gaza if elections were held in 2020. After all, Hamas has violently shut down any political opposition in Gaza in the past. The Palestinians may or may not have wanted Hamas to remain in power, but it isn't like Hamas was going to give them any other options?
 
And 10/7 doesn’t happen without 10/6 and everything before that.

Are you an actual idiot? Or just trolling?
What major event happened on 10/6? I'm being charitable and assuming that you haven't had any access to any sort of media for the past several years and are just horrifically uninformed.
 
If Trump were to do anything to "take over Gaza" or "move the Palestinians out" lets not act surprised when there's a major terrorist attack on US soil.

If you know not to poke a hornets nest and you poke it anyway, don't blame the hornets.
 
If Trump were to do anything to "take over Gaza" or "move the Palestinians out" lets not act surprised when there's a major terrorist attack on US soil.

If you know not to poke a hornets nest and you poke it anyway, don't blame the hornets.
I'm surprised there haven't been any attacks already given the support we've given Israel during this war. At least we have a robust FBI, CIA, and Federal law enforcement infrastructure that can help protect us from terrorists that want to do us harm. What's that? Presidents Musk and Trump have absolutely gutted those agencies? Get ready.
 
I'm surprised there haven't been any attacks already given the support we've given Israel during this war. At least we have a robust FBI, CIA, and Federal law enforcement infrastructure that can help protect us from terrorists that want to do us harm. What's that? Presidents Musk and Trump have absolutely gutted those agencies? Get ready.

I'm surprised too.

There's been many times I've been thinking about this issue and just been sort of flabbergasted by the forebearance and patience of the Palestinian people.

If my son was one of the 20,000 kids killed by the IDF, I'd absolutely strap a bomb to myself and try to take some of the MFers out with me
 
What major event happened on 10/6? I'm being charitable and assuming that you haven't had any access to any sort of media for the past several years and are just horrifically uninformed.
What about the 200+ Palestinians that were killed in the months leading to 10/7? Or does it all have to happen in 1 day for it to count to you?
 
I'm surprised too.

There's been many times I've been thinking about this issue and just been sort of flabbergasted by the forebearance and patience of the Palestinian people.

If my son was one of the 20,000 kids killed by the IDF, I'd absolutely strap a bomb to myself and try to take some of the MFers out with me
It is a shame that forebearance and patience was in very short supply on 10/7. Then those 20,000 kids would still be alive.
 
What major event happened on 10/6? I'm being charitable and assuming that you haven't had any access to any sort of media for the past several years and are just horrifically uninformed.
You're a firefighter. Did you hear about the Ghost Ship fire in Oakland? 36 people died and others were injured. It was a complex series of events that led up to it, but as I recall from a detailed news report I read a few years ago, here were some of the factors:

1. Guy has some studio space. New developers take over his building and outlaw artists studios. He has to leave.
2. Other artists who were living in their studios were also evicted, leaving them homeless.
3. There's this seemingly abandoned warehouse with plenty of space inside, high ceilings, and the like. Perfect for artists' studios
4. Building owner had no idea what was going on.
5. Original handful of artists move in. The original guy somehow becomes a "master tenant" but the owner pays no attention to what's happening. Then, as word gets out, more artists come in, either to live or to make their art projects
6. The original guy has no idea about fire codes or maintaining a building. He thinks it's pretty cool that he's now at the center of a local art community. He has thoughts of building a new version of Andy Warhol's Warehouse in Soho.
7. More artists come in. Some of them are painters, but some are multimedia artists. Some are sculptors or fabricators who use power tools.
8. At one point, the breakers fail. As they are not living there legally, they can't call to get access to the breaker box. They end up rigging up a circuit to bypass the breakers.

You can see where this is going. Ultimately, there was a huge party there, and the power usage was too high, and the breakers would have tripped except there were no breakers, and the building -- which is not only an old building built prior to modern fire codes, but is also filled with artists' chemicals that are fire accelerants.

Now, as a fire professional, what's your assessment about the cause of this fire? Would you say, "this fire was started because they held a huge party there," or would you say that the cause goes further back than that? In my view, the fire was the result of a long series of decisions, policies and neglect that built up over many, many years. Some of those policies were relatively benign (i.e. kicking the artists out of studios); some of it was ignorant (the so-called master tenant who didn't know how to run a building); some lax supervision; etc.

I would submit that the gaza conflict is like that. Not in the particulars. I don't know who would be analogous to the absent owner or the master tenant or the artists. But the point is, the flash point isn't always the root cause. I would think you of all people would understand that quite well.
 
What about the 200+ Palestinians that were killed in the months leading to 10/7? Or does it all have to happen in 1 day for it to count to you?
I think that most people can agree that skirmishes that result in a few fatalities here and there over a period of several months in a region that has experienced intermittent conflict for generations are expected. A major attack that kills over 1,200 people in one day and results in 200+ others being held hostage is a massive escalation of hostilities. Sort of why no one expected us to invade Afghanistan after the 1993 WTC bombing but no one was surprised at all when we invaded after 9/11.
 
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