TSA

superrific said:
The Dems want to ensure that ICE operates as every other legit law enforcement agency in the world. No masks, no excessive force, warrants, etc.

So the impasse is this: DHS is closed because Dems want to use the leverage to obtain ICE reforms, and the GOP doesn't want to reform ICE. The blame lies on the party who has the correct stance.

Do you think ICE should be able to continue to operate as a lawless secret police terrorizing our communities? That's really all there is to it.
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I don’t believe in using the paychecks of American workers in order to leverage the rights for illegal aliens. I reject your characterization of ICE as some lawless secret police. In fact, things seem to have calmed down considerably since Homan took charge. I want ICE to be well trained and professional so perhaps we’re in agreement on that point.
 
Ramrouser said:
I don’t believe in using the paychecks of American workers in order to leverage the rights for illegal aliens. I reject your characterization of ICE as some lawless secret police. In fact, things seem to have calmed down considerably since Homan took charge. I want ICE to be well trained and professional so perhaps we’re in agreement on that point.
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1. Have you learned nothing from Minneapolis? It's not the "rights of illegal aliens." It's the rights of everyone. Renee Good was not an illegal alien. Nor Alex Presti. Or the blind Burmese guy they left to freeze in winter in Buffalo. Or the numerous people shot or injured in car collisions. Or the thousands of citizens who have been wrongly detained, often for months.

2. "secret police" is a characterization but lawless is not. District courts across the country, both liberal and conservative judges, are furious at DHS/DOJ for ignoring their orders. There have been many contempt of court hearings already, with more to follow. By one count, DOJ/DHS has flouted more judicial orders this year than in the entire history of the country combined.

There have been revelations about the training, and the principles by which they operated. Absolutely no question that they feel unconstrained by law.

3. Think back to law school. I know, it's probably like Nick Riviera's med school, but search those memory banks. "Capable of repetition yet evading review." Does that phrase sound familiar? When something is capable of repetition and won't be easily addressible in the future, it's not moot. Whether or not things have calmed down, there's nothing to prevent Trump from doing the exact same thing again. So we need to put a stop to it formally, not just trust anyone in this administration to do the right thing.

4. Since you also want ICE to be well-trained and professional, then you're in agreement with the Dems about the shutdown. Props!
 
Ramrouser said:
I don’t believe in using the paychecks of American workers in order to leverage the rights for illegal aliens. I reject your characterization of ICE as some lawless secret police. In fact, things seem to have calmed down considerably since Homan took charge. I want ICE to be well trained and professional so perhaps we’re in agreement on that point.
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I reject anything you say since you still support a rapist and pedophile.
 
Ramrouser said:
I don’t believe in using the paychecks of American workers in order to leverage the rights for illegal aliens. I reject your characterization of ICE as some lawless secret police. In fact, things seem to have calmed down considerably since Homan took charge. I want ICE to be well trained and professional so perhaps we’re in agreement on that point.
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Your statement that "things seem to have calmed down considerably since Homan took charge" is an admission that things were out of control up to that point at a minimum.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
The overwhelming majority of agents I have encountered have been polite, but according to a number of GAO studies, they aren't particularly effective either as individuals tasked with spotting dangerous items or as an organization giving the agents the tools and systems they need to be effective. In 2017, they had a failure rate of 95%. Then a new sheriff came to town, got the test results classified, and then said they had dramatically improved.

The agents are tested and they routinely fail to find things like guns in baggage. AI could be very helpful here as it never gets tired or bored.

The whole showing your boarding pass and matching it to an ID can be easily circumvented. Have someone buy a ticket who isn't on the no fly list, print a fake boarding pass at home with your real name, show your id and fake boarding pass to TSA, fly with the other person's ticket. Its child's play but the reason it hasn't been fixed in 25 years is that it doesn't matter.

Its a joke. Its been a joke for 2 decades. It hasn't caught a single terrorist that we know of, and surely TSA would trumpet any success. It costs $10B a year and our civil liberties to make people feel like they are safer.
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Only once in my entire life have I ever made a joke while being screened. It was in the Denver Airport. The female TSA agent was running a wand over me and every time she ran the wand over the zipper on my panrts, the wand pinged. She did this four or five times. I finally said, "It's not big enough to be used as a weapon." She just burst out laughing and waved me through. And the two closest TSA agents, were laughing also. I really shouldn't have said what I said. It just burst out of me before I could stop myself.
 
I believe they are much better at all of those things than they were on 9/11. While it used to take a sharp eye to spot problems on the scanner, now software highlights problem areas. They are probably using some form of AI too. (Actually that software is almost certainly using AI.)

Uploading a 3d scan on everyone who sets off alarms due to something in them and making sure that doesn’t happen next time might be asking too much. Is there bang for the buck for something like that?
 
wmheel1287 said:
As an aside, Delta terminated the special treatment bypassing TSA program they have for members of Congress. That we should all applaud.
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Delta has also been flying children to concentration camps for ICE, so they can go fuck themselves.

www.ms.now

Delta transported a 5-year-old boy detained by ICE to Texas immigration facility

Rachel Maddow on how Delta has assisted Trump’s deportation efforts by transporting Liam Conejo Ramos to a Texas immigration facility.
www.ms.now www.ms.now
 
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