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U.S. Budget Negotiations

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CFordUNC said:
Sucks this bill is going to pass but perhaps it’s for the best. It’s going to screw all of us, of course, but it’s really going to royally fuck a whole bunch of dimwit MAGAts and red staters with no lube. It sucks that it’s going to hurt a whole bunch of innocent people who did not vote for this, but perhaps it’s going to take truly hurting the morons who voted for cronyism and authoritarianism for them to realize how stupid and shortsighted they were. Many will never realize it (or care) of course, even as their jobs, healthcare, insurance, disability, veterans benefits, and food stamps are stripped away. But some will.
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When Trump and Heritage 2025 fucks the MAGAts, they’ll blame the Deep State, Libtards, and immigrants.
 
Duke Mu said:
WTH are the PROTESTORS, NOW? The Trump 2.0 Episode - 26 Hours in Iran has distracted everyone.

The Senate bill will KILL our R&D engine, responsible for 60% of new job creation since WW II. The deficit spending with the BANK ROBBERY for billionaires will cripple our economy long term.

Dems are not fighting hard enough. They think this irresponsible appropriations bill will help them in 2026. Their arrogance and fecklessness is infuriating.

Pubs are voting against the best interest of their constituents, especially in the red states. Our son is crossing the last t and dotting the last i on his dissertation in engineering, but job prospects are in Canada.

Trump, MAGA, and Project 2025 are disassembling the American science, education, and innovation infrastructure that made the US the #1 economy/capita.
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People voted for the collapse of America, why shouldn't they get what they voted for? The Democrats couldn't stop them from committing this folly - they have no power.
 
Zoo_View said:
When Trump and Heritage 2025 fucks the MAGAts, they’ll blame the Deep State, Libtards, and immigrants.
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Of course. Dems need to scream bloody murder about the appropriations bill, and sorry if you folks offended, and put iran, Gaza, Mamadani, gender stuff on the backburner. This Big Bullsh*t Bill is the ballgame. If McConnell were the Dem leader instead of Schumer, he would have found a way to shut it down or compromise.

This is a science and job crusher and a great day for Xi and Putin!
 
altmin said:
People voted for the collapse of America, why shouldn't they get what they voted for? The Democrats couldn't stop them from committing this folly - they have no power.
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The hell they can't. THIS is the case you have to take to the American people. Show that you have their backs, especially the working and middle class. This is the ONLY major piece of legislation on the docket. You find a way.

Dems are feckless and weak. We can't assume they will prevail as milquetoasts in 2026.

This country needs a viable 3rd party.
 
Procedural Bill passes. Dems can have the entire thing read out loud. That may delay things to Monday.

Dems need a No Kings Day 2 tomorrow...or better. No Oligarchs Day! Need a 1000 protests on this bill. It's over 20 points under water in the polls.
 
Duke Mu said:
The hell they can't. THIS is the case you have to take to the American people. Show that you have their backs, especially the working and middle class. This is the ONLY major piece of legislation on the docket. You find a way.

Dems are feckless and weak. We can't assume they will prevail as milquetoasts in 2026.

This country needs a viable 3rd party.
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Find a way to do what?
 
Duke Mu said:
Murkowski sells out.
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as did "troubled and concerned" Susan Collins. She is up for re-election next year. Dems should be doing ads and holding town halls to publicize that she voted for a 4 trillion budget bill that cuts Medicaid and other safety net programs.

Collins, true to form, expressed her concern and said she might not vote for the bill in the end unless some changes are made before the final vote.

There is no doubt in my mind that Susan will vote for the bill without changes but let her constituents know she did so reluctantly and with deep concern.
 


Musk seems to have managed to make his voice less politically relevant than it has been for years by his DOGE Trump breakup.



 


GOP megabill narrowly wins first test in the Senate. Here's what's in it​



“… The vote was 51 to 49. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc., originally voted no but switched his vote at the last minute, preventing the need for Vice President J.D. Vance to break a tie.

… The Senate will now start a very lengthy process before a final vote can be called. Senate Democrats requested a full reading of the nearly 1,000-page bill on the floor of the Senate in accordance with Senate rules. Once that is done, Republicans and Democrats each get 10 hours to debate the bill – though Republicans are expected to use only a small portion of their time. Once that is done, the Senate will begin an unlimited series of amendment votes, known as a vote-a-rama.

The process could stretch well into Sunday night or, more likely, sometime on Monday….”
 
nycfan said:


GOP megabill narrowly wins first test in the Senate. Here's what's in it​



“… The vote was 51 to 49. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc., originally voted no but switched his vote at the last minute, preventing the need for Vice President J.D. Vance to break a tie.

… The Senate will now start a very lengthy process before a final vote can be called. Senate Democrats requested a full reading of the nearly 1,000-page bill on the floor of the Senate in accordance with Senate rules. Once that is done, Republicans and Democrats each get 10 hours to debate the bill – though Republicans are expected to use only a small portion of their time. Once that is done, the Senate will begin an unlimited series of amendment votes, known as a vote-a-rama.

The process could stretch well into Sunday night or, more likely, sometime on Monday….”
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“… The Senate's text includes temporary changes that would allow Americans to deduct up to $25,000 for tip wages and $12,500 for overtime pay through 2028. The Senate version also says that overtime and tip deductions will be reduced for Americans with incomes higher than $150,000. Those limits were not included in the House version.

The Senate bill also increases the child tax credit from $2,000 to $2,200 per child and adjusts the amount for inflation after 2025. It's slightly different than the House plan to temporarily increase the credit to $2,500 before cutting it back to the current level and adjusting for inflation.

In addition, the Senate text would permanently expand the standard deduction, marking a key difference from the House bill, which temporarily expands it through 2028. Senators also boosted a tax deduction for people over 65 to $6,000 through 2028, compared to $4,000 in the House bill. Both chambers included a phase out for people earning over $75,000.…”
 
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