Duke Mu
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Same - our daughter is high functioning autism spectrum, but can't be independent. I'm already fighting to get long-term support with Social Security.
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U.S. Budget Negotiations
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If they do, at least one of them will probably have an assassination attempt. Trump's venom would be absolutely ferocious and they know it. His followers could absolutely channel that into something violent.
Our son is on SS, Medicaid and Medicare that allows him to live independently with daily caregiving (and our nearby help). I hope you can get the assistance your daughter needs/deserves. And best wishes for success with future NIH funding. It’s going to be different/tough for everyone. I’m lucky that I’m close to retirement and may just step away. But I lose sleep worrying over all of my colleagues (you included).
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What you say is real I am afraid..........
lawtig02
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Thanks for pointing out more gently than you needed to that my comment was way too blasé. I assure you I care deeply about the human impact of this bill, including on families like yours. I unfortunately don’t think there’s a realistic chance the bill won’t pass, hence my comment. But I hope it causes Pubs to suffer politically for years so that we can restore some semblance of humanity to our national policies as quickly as possible. And I hope that especially for you and your son and all the other specific examples people have shared here.
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Senate to Begin Voting on Policy Bill, as G.O.P. Grasps for Support
—> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/0...e_code=1.S08.6w6S.vk0MI4ulU_Yg&smid=url-share“…
Senate Republicans moved on Sunday to upend how the costs of tax cuts are counted, a change they are seeking as part of a broader attempt to expand what lawmakers can pass without a filibuster-proof majority.
The gambit concerns how long Republicans’ tax cuts can last. Typically, lawmakers cannot pass costly long-term policies through the Senate without bipartisan support. But Republicans want to lock in lower taxes permanently, and they are preparing to smash precedent to do so.
To pass their sprawling tax and health care bill, Republicans are using a legislative process called reconciliation that allows them to ignore Democratic opposition in the Senate and approve the bill with a simple majority of 51 votes, rather than the 60 typically needed to overcome a filibuster. But using reconciliation has long imposed additional rules on lawmakers, including that the legislation can only add to the deficit for 10 years. After a decade, a bill cannot create new costs.
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Republicans argue that the tax cuts they originally passed in 2017, which expire at the end of the year, should be baked into the country’s fiscal forecasts even though Congress has not yet actually renewed them. By that logic, the $3.8 trillion cost of extending the 2017 cuts is zero, and those cuts can be extended for decades even though reconciliation’s rules prohibit long-term deficit increases.
The entire Senate Republican bill relies on this view of the tax cuts’ costs. Without this accounting assumption, the legislation would run afoul of Senate rules…
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The two parties disagree on whether altering accounting standards is allowed. The Senate majority leader, John Thune, a South Dakota Republican, took to the floor on Sunday to begin the process of pushing through the G.O.P. interpretation of the budget.
“This is an issue that I think we need to deal with right off the bat,” Mr. Thune said, arguing that Senate rules allow the chairman of the Budget Committee, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, to decide how costs are accounted for.
… Republicans have avoided putting the issue directly to the chamber’s parliamentarian, who helps enforce Senate rules. Unlike the many other measures that are litigated with the parliamentarian ahead of the bill coming to the floor, Republicans and Democrats did not formally discuss the issue with her.
Given that many Republicans say they are hesitant to directly contradict the parliamentarian, such a discussion would have had very high stakes for the G.O.P., potentially requiring an overhaul of the bill. But Republicans say the parliamentarian’s view is not necessary, pointing to an obscure clause in budget law that they say blesses their tactic.
“I’m setting the numbers,” Mr. Graham said.
… The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office provided two estimates for the legislation, one according to the Senate Republican method and one according to their typical rules.
The bill would reduce the debt by roughly $500 billion if the cost of extending the 2017 tax cuts is ignored, the budget office said, but increase the debt by at least $3.3 trillion if that cost is accounted for.…”
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Senate to Begin Voting on Policy Bill, as G.O.P. Grasps for Support
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Senate Republicans moved on Sunday to upend how the costs of tax cuts are counted, a change they are seeking as part of a broader attempt to expand what lawmakers can pass without a filibuster-proof majority.
The gambit concerns how long Republicans’ tax cuts can last. Typically, lawmakers cannot pass costly long-term policies through the Senate without bipartisan support. But Republicans want to lock in lower taxes permanently, and they are preparing to smash precedent to do so.
To pass their sprawling tax and health care bill, Republicans are using a legislative process called reconciliation that allows them to ignore Democratic opposition in the Senate and approve the bill with a simple majority of 51 votes, rather than the 60 typically needed to overcome a filibuster. But using reconciliation has long imposed additional rules on lawmakers, including that the legislation can only add to the deficit for 10 years. After a decade, a bill cannot create new costs.
…
Republicans argue that the tax cuts they originally passed in 2017, which expire at the end of the year, should be baked into the country’s fiscal forecasts even though Congress has not yet actually renewed them. By that logic, the $3.8 trillion cost of extending the 2017 cuts is zero, and those cuts can be extended for decades even though reconciliation’s rules prohibit long-term deficit increases.
The entire Senate Republican bill relies on this view of the tax cuts’ costs. Without this accounting assumption, the legislation would run afoul of Senate rules…
…
The two parties disagree on whether altering accounting standards is allowed. The Senate majority leader, John Thune, a South Dakota Republican, took to the floor on Sunday to begin the process of pushing through the G.O.P. interpretation of the budget.
“This is an issue that I think we need to deal with right off the bat,” Mr. Thune said, arguing that Senate rules allow the chairman of the Budget Committee, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, to decide how costs are accounted for.
… Republicans have avoided putting the issue directly to the chamber’s parliamentarian, who helps enforce Senate rules. Unlike the many other measures that are litigated with the parliamentarian ahead of the bill coming to the floor, Republicans and Democrats did not formally discuss the issue with her.
Given that many Republicans say they are hesitant to directly contradict the parliamentarian, such a discussion would have had very high stakes for the G.O.P., potentially requiring an overhaul of the bill. But Republicans say the parliamentarian’s view is not necessary, pointing to an obscure clause in budget law that they say blesses their tactic.
“I’m setting the numbers,” Mr. Graham said.
… The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office provided two estimates for the legislation, one according to the Senate Republican method and one according to their typical rules.
The bill would reduce the debt by roughly $500 billion if the cost of extending the 2017 tax cuts is ignored, the budget office said, but increase the debt by at least $3.3 trillion if that cost is accounted for.…”
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Senate Megabill Stuns the Clean Energy Industry With New Tax on Wind and Solar
Elon Musk calls the Senate’s latest version of the spending bill ‘utterly insane and destructive’
—> https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy...1?st=gGbSq2&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink“Energy tax credits that were expanded during the Biden administration… are now on the chopping block while lawmakers fight over ways to extend tax cuts and fund border and military spending, among other things. …
This weekend, clean energy companies were surprised by the sudden appearance of a tax that … would apply to wind and solar projects completed after 2027 if they use a certain percentage of components from China, the industry’s primary supplier of everything from critical minerals to batteries.
“At a basic level it is a fundamental break in the compact between Congress and the private sector,” said Jason Grumet, chief executive of the American Clean Power Association, an industry group. “It is truly unprecedented for Congress to design a punitive tax targeting one aspect of the American economy.”…”
When they say this Bill will add 3.3 Trillion to the deficit over the next ten years, what are they really talking about? I assume that's in addition to the current deficit projections? Which means the actual national debt goes up by a whopping number over the next ten years?
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heelinhell
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no worries...
Murkowski and the "troubled and deeply concerned" Susan Collins will cave. Thom and Rand will be safe because the bill will pass, and both Thom and Rand should write thank you notes to Lisa and Susan for giving up spines in order to save their lives .
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I kind of wish all parties concerned would stick mostly with one or two years when discussing this-the 10 year projections are just -well not going to be true because generally things every two years when congress changes
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Seldom have I seen a graphic that more clearly expressed what the true goal/mission/values of the Republican Party than this one in today's New York Times.
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A List of Nearly Everything in the Senate G.O.P. Bill, and How Much It Would Cost or Save
The legislation includes tax cuts as well as big cuts to Medicaid, food benefits and other programs, and it would add more than $3 trillion to the national debt.
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Also a reference to the widespread (at the time) but almost assuredly apocryphal account of Edward II's death. Ouch!
lawtig02
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There's no defense, although Zen will find a way to.Seldom have I seen a graphic that more clearly expressed what the true goal/mission/values of the Republican Party than this one in today's New York Times.
A List of Nearly Everything in the Senate G.O.P. Bill, and How Much It Would Cost or Save
The legislation includes tax cuts as well as big cuts to Medicaid, food benefits and other programs, and it would add more than $3 trillion to the national debt.
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