U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

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wmheel1287 said:
I agree with that sentiment. I also think that at least half of the political spectrum would absolutely be on board with replacing the ACA with a single payer system that provides universal basic coverage and allows for supplemental coverages for those who wish to purchase it either personally or as an employer benefit.
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How would you even begin to pay for that?
 
Callatoroy said:
I don’t think repealing Obamacare is something pubs are proposing and has nothing to do with anything regarding the shutdown. Dems wrote the current expiration date of the COVID subsidies correct? Now they don’t want to follow what they put into law. Ok, you want to extend them and maybe they should be extended for another year. But to shut down the g’ment because of your own expiration date and giving trump the opportunity for rifs doesn’t seem like the best strategy. If im off on those specifics then correct me.
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H.R.114 - 119th Congress (2025-2026): Responsible Path to Full Obamacare Repeal Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/5mAyxQpn00okkEddT
 
Callatoroy said:
Literally nobody of any importance is focused on repeal and it isn’t being seriously talked about. There is nothing to replace it with.
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trump campaigned on it.

(Calla doesn't think a Republican congressman and convicted felon trump are people of importance.)

Trump's Obamacare health care replacement plan unclear https://share.google/CsT8jgq3GuwULhJG9

Driving the news: During Tuesday's debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, Trump was asked by ABC moderator Linsey Davis about his previous comments regarding the ACA, also known as Obamacare, and whether he has a plan to replace it.

"Obamacare was lousy health care. Always was," Trump said. "It's not very good today. And what I said, that if we come up with something, we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it."
He added: "What we will do is we're looking at different plans. If we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people, our population less money and be better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it."
Asked in a follow-up whether he has a plan, Trump said: "I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now."
 
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Callatoroy said:
So your solution is to raise taxes?
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Yes. Increase the Medicare withholding and the self employment tax rate. Employers who provide coverage now can decide whether to simply pay that to the employee or provide other benefits. The employment market can sort that out. Healthcare is already an untenable burden on many Americans. Those at the bottom of thr working class often have the worst Healthcare. Time to even that out.
 
Some good news is that Trump has announced that he is reducing the cost of medication by 1000% . I have a friend that has congestive heart failure. He has frequently bemoaned the cost of his medications which runs around $600/month.

I gave him the good news last night that thanks to President Trump drug companies will begin paying him $6000/month to take their medications.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don’t think repealing Obamacare is something pubs are proposing and has nothing to do with anything regarding the shutdown. Dems wrote the current expiration date of the COVID subsidies correct? Now they don’t want to follow what they put into law. Ok, you want to extend them and maybe they should be extended for another year. But to shut down the g’ment because of your own expiration date and giving trump the opportunity for rifs doesn’t seem like the best strategy. If im off on those specifics then correct me.
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From a strategy perspective, yes, seems like it’s worth fighting for something the large majority of Americans support. That’s what it means to be a representative government.
 
lawtig02 said:
From a strategy perspective, yes, seems like it’s worth fighting for something the large majority of Americans support. That’s what it means to be a representative government.
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You can fight for something without shutting the g’ment down especially since the pubs haven’t attached anything to the resolution. Remember all the vitriol that was thrown at the pubs the last time they shut it down?
 
rodoheel said:
lol at the idea that Obamacare has been a “disaster.” Republicans have had 15 years to come up with a better “free market” solution for health care that can provide broad, quality coverage without huge premium increases but they haven’t, because they can’t. Their only ideas are either to kick millions of poor people off of health care or to make the insurance crappier and cover less to keep costs lower.

We really just need to go to single payer, but Pubs will of course never agree to SOSHALISM.
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I agree they haven’t done a thing and have had opportunity. I could get behind single payer (I think because I don’t know enough about the unintended consequences) if we would offset it with cuts to other “social” programs.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This is crazy disingenuous. Like, these are Trump level misrepresentations. There are millions who were and would be completely denied coverage due to preexisting conditions without the provisions of the ACA. The ACA was the compromise that Republicans wanted until they abandoned any pretense of cooperation on heatlhcare.

And yes, premiums have "soared" by 80%, which is at about half the clip they were rising prior to the ACA.

The system sucks. That is true. Going backwards is not the answer.
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Please tell me where it’s disingenuous.
 
Callatoroy said:
I agree they haven’t done a thing and have had opportunity. I could get behind single payer (I think because I don’t know enough about the unintended consequences) if we would offset it with cuts to other “social” programs.
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It would already be offset with elimination of your (and your employer's) insurance premiums.
 
lawtig02 said:
As we get ready to enter week three of the shutdown with no sign Mike Johnson intends to bring the House back to DC, I'm starting to get a little suspicious the Pubs were not really interested in negotiating in good faith during the seven weeks the CR would have funded.
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Yeah, they are all ok with this shit so they can RIF people.
 
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