U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins
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mynameisbond
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Government employees and military families who are not getting their pay won't care. A shutdown by Democrats trying to preserve Medicare benefits and control healthcare premiums for "other" people isn't going to be seen as Trump's fault. His big ugly bill was already passed by Congress. This isn't the best way to attempt to halt its effects. The damage can't be undone until the balance of power shifts back to them. This isn't the right leverage. They will have to cave. Again.
lawtig02
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I don't say this lightly, and I know people will suffer even more than they already have under this incompetent administration, but my reaction to this is, "Go for it." Let the Pubs create all the chaos and pain they've been wanting to inflict on America for decades now. And do it now, when Americans still have plenty of time to feel the effects before they go to the polls next November. Make America suffer, Pubs. This is your chance.
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Oh, dude, I'm right there with you. The only and I mean ONLY hesitation I have is that the Democrats are SO BAD at messaging and have such incompetent leadership that the Pubs will be able to successfully hang this around their neck... hell, it's already happening.
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Trump Is Redirecting Funds to Keep National Parks Open. Last Time This Raised Legal Concerns.
During Trump’s first term, Congress’ watchdog said the administration violated the law in redirecting funds to keep the parks open.
Trump Is Redirecting Funds to Keep National Parks Open. Last Time This Raised Legal Concerns.
During Trump’s first term, Congress’ watchdog said the administration violated the law in redirecting funds to keep the parks open.
lawtig02
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I don't think we know yet, and probably won't know for a while, which party will be blamed for the shutdown. In the past, the party in control has generally been blamed, regardless of what role the out-of-power party played. That said, shutdowns have now become so common that I'm not convinced the general public really blames either party for them. It just further erodes Americans' already extremely low view of the government in general. The Pubs are definitely better at the rhetorical game (largely because they lie with absolute impunity), but it's not clear how important that rhetoric is on things like this.
What Americans WILL care about and respond to are things like health insurance premiums going up by hundreds or thousands of dollars, government agencies shutting down and therefore not being available to help with whatever people might need, flights being delayed because air traffic controllers are calling in sick rather than working for no pay, etc. And that's a messaging battle the Dems certainly should be able to win. If they can't, we're just fucked.
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Vought would have done whatever he wanted to shut down agencies anyway. I don't see how the shutdown affects that.
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Personally I think Dems are doing the right thing by not caving but I think they're making a mistake by focusing their messaging entirely on a fight over healthcare benefits and not focusing enough on Trump's refusal to respect the power of the purse and the fact that Republicans control the entire government. I suspect the logic there is that not enough Americans really understand or care about the division of authority between Congress and the President. But IMO they should be more consistently messaging "it is ridiculous for the President to ask for our votes to authorize funding directives he has proven he will ignore" and "This is Trump's shutdown; he controls all the branches of the federal government and his party can pass a funding measure at any time, but damned if we're going to give them our votes to do it."
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Exactly - this is the kind of stuff they can and will do anyway to get their way, shutdown or no.
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This time will be far, far different than the previous ones in 1995, 2013 and 2018. According to reports first published by Politico, OMB Director Rusell Vought instructed agencies to prepare RIFs for all employees without separate funding and whose work “is not consistent with the President’s priorities.” The RIFs could apply even to employees working in “excepted” programs.
The ultra risks of a routine shutdown
COMMENTARY | If Democrats risk a government shutdown this week, they may unwittingly play into the most dramatic shift of power to the executive branch in recent history.
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There is zero reason to think that Vought wouldn't and couldn't do this (RIF numerous employees and departments) independent of a shutdown if he wanted to. I fail to see how a shutdown changes that picture at all. The Supreme Court has shown no inclination to push back on the admin firing anybody it wants to fire. And even if Dems cave, Vought can just hang this same threat over them every time a funding authorization comes up. I think it is the right call to call the bluff here - if Vought really wants to mass-terminate federal employees from all these programs, might as well go ahead and have that fight.This time will be far, far different than the previous ones in 1995, 2013 and 2018. According to reports first published by Politico, OMB Director Rusell Vought instructed agencies to prepare RIFs for all employees without separate funding and whose work “is not consistent with the President’s priorities.” The RIFs could apply even to employees working in “excepted” programs.
The ultra risks of a routine shutdown
COMMENTARY | If Democrats risk a government shutdown this week, they may unwittingly play into the most dramatic shift of power to the executive branch in recent history.
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HC is obviously very important, but it’s going to take some time for those cuts to really hit a lot of people. I think they should have made the fight about delayed FEMA funds and tariffs, both of which are more immediately tangible.
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If you're not gonna read the article, what's the point?
If I were the Dems, I would say its all on the PUBS because they don't want a vote on Epstein. That's why they are not even in DC.
Frankly, even if the Dems play good guy and save healthcare I don't see how it helps them politically? No freaking way anyone will remember that. Let the PUPs fund it without saving healthcare and live with their own mess.
Frankly, even if the Dems play good guy and save healthcare I don't see how it helps them politically? No freaking way anyone will remember that. Let the PUPs fund it without saving healthcare and live with their own mess.
lawtig02
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Schumer is convinced millions of Americans will be getting notifications in the next few days that their health insurance premiums will be going up by hundreds of dollars per month next year. I have no idea if he's right. I don't have a ton of confidence in his prognostications right now. But if that happens, the impact of the HC cuts will be felt more quickly that we otherwise might imagine.