UFOs! Aliens! Do you believe?
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CeruleanBlueHeel
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“Tips for aliens in New York: ‘Land anywhere, Central Park, anywhere. No one will care, or indeed even notice. ‘Surviving: Get a job as a cab driver immediately. A cab driver’s job is to drive people anywhere they want to go in big yellow machines called taxis. Don’t worry if you don’t know how the machine works and you can’t speak the language, don’t understand the geography or indeed the basic physics of the area, and have large green antennae growing out of your head. Believe me, this is the best way of staying inconspicuous. ‘If your body is really weird try showing it to people in the streets for money.”
― Douglas Adams, The Complete Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: The Trilogy of Five
― Douglas Adams, The Complete Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: The Trilogy of Five
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Badbehavior1015
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I certainly want to believe. Ive seen things that didnt make sense to me. As an avid camper, Ive spent many nights in the woods, mostly by myself. Not about UFOs/UAPs but Ive heard sounds while camping that I cannot figure out what is was. Im used to hearing bobcats growls and grunts, owls hoot and screech, foxes scream, bears grunting, etc. I was camping on the Cape Fear River about 12 years ago. I was alone, having boated down the river several miles. I had just finished setting some trot lines and was headed back to campsite. I was tying by boat to a tree and I heard a scream/screech off in the woods. I didnt recognize the sound but shrugged it off. A few hours later as I was checking the lines, I heard it again but seemed somewhat closer. I had 2 of my sidearms with me but I was still uneasy. Temperature was down in the low 40's. I got my stuff out of the boat and my heart was pounding. Got back to my campsite and attempted to ignore what I had heard. After eating, I went to sleep. An uneasy feeling was on me as I attempted to sleep. During the night, I was scared awake by the same sound. I couldn't locate where it was coming from. Finally, I had had enough. I grabbed my guns and my coat, RAN to my boat and left as quickly as I could. I was honestly crying in the boat, I was that terrified. I went back 2 days to retrieve my gear. Everything was just as I had left it. To this day, I have no idea what made that sound. I've been camping on the Cape Fear since then with no other instances but that night scared the living shit outta me.
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That's great work. Thanks for the share. I've always suspected the "object" was really just some misunderstood artifact in the camera/sensor system rather than a visiting alien civilization. A hunch.
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Yes, the idea of UFOs/UAPs has reality in culture and politics, though this is not about ETI as real. People get a dopamine buzz in the brain believing in government conspiracies, but the probably correct conspiracy here is not quite as new or interesting. The military is after more funding. At the end of a report that does not mention aliens, it reads, "The UAPTF has indicated that additional funding for research and development could further the study of topics in this report."
The numbers suggest millions of civilizations. I have written about this before, but the time frame odds of any possible contact with ETI suggest, as strongly as odds ever suggest anything, that they would be many millions to a billion or more years ahead of us in advancement. Our main scientific progress in 300 years has led to the Webb Telescope and rovers on Mars. Beings millions of years ahead of us would control physics in ways we have no basis for even speculating about.
So then our current mental fantasies about them are in essence, "looking for other versions of ourselves." ETI vastly ahead of us would not be stuck in notions of Close Encounters type UFOs doing ridiculously idiotic things to us, and at the edge of our viewing ability. The ideas of colonizing, invading, wanting our paltry resources, mutilating cows, or playing these supposed idiotic games with our pilots have nothing to do with any intelligent speculation about ETI.
They could be so far beyond our level we might be unable to know they are around. In fact with this view, they might be almost everywhere, but doing things we cannot grasp. As Carl Sagan once said, it makes sense that such advanced beings would about as interested in us as our entire human race is in one tiny bacterial colony somewhere in the jungle. Stanley Kubrick and Clarke put forward the idea of them occasionally prompting or lifting us forward in 2001: A Space Odyssey, but Kubrick was clear that their motivations and actions would be utterly beyond our capacity to grasp. Clarke said that if any civilization ever chose to arrive hereon Earth, virtually every person on the planet would know about it. But then the Fermi Paradox might be an issue of us not being able to detect them.
They might be, in fact, gone: https://www.accelerating.org/articles/transcensionhypothesis
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Kinda my take. I'm sure they are out there. I just don't see much reason for them to be interested. The fact that we haven't received any organized patterns on any of the electromagnetic spectrum indicates that there is probably no one close that is on a technological level with us. For those far enough above us to be communicating on an undetectable level, there's not much here for them. What we probably see are backpackers and teenagers on the budget plan.
CeruleanBlueHeel
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I need to re-read The Eerie Silence by Paul Davies. As a former director of SETI and scientist, he opines we're probably alone, otherwise we should have detected other technological intelligence by now. But it does make for exciting (science) fiction.
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—> https://www.wsj.com/politics/nation...e?st=MMnqAM&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink“… The congressionally ordered probe took investigators back to the 1980s, when an Air Force colonel visited a bar near Area 51, a top-secret site in the Nevada desert. He gave the owner photos of what might be flying saucers. The photos went up on the walls, and into the local lore went the idea that the U.S. military was secretly testing recovered alien technology.
But the colonel was on a mission—of disinformation. The photos were doctored, the now-retired officer confessed to the Pentagon investigators in 2023. The whole exercise was a ruse to protect what was really going on at Area 51: The Air Force was using the site to develop top-secret stealth fighters, viewed as a critical edge against the Soviet Union. Military leaders were worried that the programs might get exposed if locals somehow glimpsed a test flight of, say, the F-117 stealth fighter, an aircraft that truly did look out of this world. Better that they believe it came from Andromeda.
This episode, reported now for the first time, was just one of a series of discoveries the Pentagon team made as it investigated decades of claims that Washington was hiding what it knew about extraterrestrial life. That effort culminated in a report, released last year by the Defense Department, that found allegations of a government coverup to be baseless.…”
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“… The congressionally ordered probe took investigators back to the 1980s, when an Air Force colonel visited a bar near Area 51, a top-secret site in the Nevada desert. He gave the owner photos of what might be flying saucers. The photos went up on the walls, and into the local lore went the idea that the U.S. military was secretly testing recovered alien technology.
But the colonel was on a mission—of disinformation. The photos were doctored, the now-retired officer confessed to the Pentagon investigators in 2023. The whole exercise was a ruse to protect what was really going on at Area 51: The Air Force was using the site to develop top-secret stealth fighters, viewed as a critical edge against the Soviet Union. Military leaders were worried that the programs might get exposed if locals somehow glimpsed a test flight of, say, the F-117 stealth fighter, an aircraft that truly did look out of this world. Better that they believe it came from Andromeda.
This episode, reported now for the first time, was just one of a series of discoveries the Pentagon team made as it investigated decades of claims that Washington was hiding what it knew about extraterrestrial life. That effort culminated in a report, released last year by the Defense Department, that found allegations of a government coverup to be baseless.…”
“… In fact, a Wall Street Journal investigation reveals, the report itself amounted to a coverup—but not in the way the UFO conspiracy industry would have people believe.
The public disclosure left out the truth behind some of the foundational myths about UFOs: The Pentagon itself sometimes deliberately fanned the flames, in what amounted to the U.S. government targeting its own citizens with disinformation.…”
The government misled us? That's a real dog bites man story.