UFOs! Aliens! Do you believe?

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Just something else to try and distract from the Epstein files. We know you a pedo orange man.
I don't think it's all that implausible to assume that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, or that it may be far more advanced or older than we are, or that they are capable of traveling across space and visiting here. And I don't think it's implausible to believe that they may be as curious a species as we are and that they traveled here after learning our planet had life to check it out and explore it. And they would likely keep their visits confined to rural or sparsely-populated areas where they are less-likely to be seen or observed.

Having said that, I don't think they would keep coming here after doing some exploration and mapping the planet, so if they did explore here any visitation likely ended a long time ago, and given how primitive we would be compared to them I doubt they would have any interest in coming here on a regular basis. So any UFO visits likely ended a long time ago, and what people are seeing now are most probably drones, weather phenomena, hoaxes, or something far more prosaic than alien visitation.

And on this particular issue (Trump releasing government UFO reports) there's no doubt that Trump is doing this as yet another diversion from the Epstein files and all of the other far more serious crap going on his administration.
 
I don't think it's all that implausible to assume that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, or that it may be far more advanced or older than we are, or that they are capable of traveling across space and visiting here. And I don't think it's implausible to believe that they may be as curious a species as we are and that they traveled here after learning our planet had life to check it out and explore it. And they would likely keep their visits confined to rural or sparsely-populated areas where they are less-likely to be seen or observed.

Having said that, I don't think they would keep coming here after doing some exploration and mapping the planet, so if they did explore here any visitation likely ended a long time ago, and given how primitive we would be compared to them I doubt they would have any interest in coming here on a regular basis. So any UFO visits likely ended a long time ago, and what people are seeing now are most probably drones, weather phenomena, hoaxes, or something far more prosaic than alien visitation.

And on this particular issue (Trump releasing government UFO reports) there's no doubt that Trump is doing this as yet another diversion from the Epstein files and all of the other far more serious crap going on his administration.
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No I do not believe in UFOs other than they are truly unidentified by the people who can't identify them.

a few points

before light pollution humans knew the night sky well and were extremely aware of it in fact depended on it to know the seasons, when to hunt, etc. The constellation names all date from peoples attempt at understanding the firmament and those little lights that showed up at night. the appearance of a comet (really the only thing other than the incredibly rare supernova that changed in the night sky) were considered ominous portents of doom, the Bayeux tapestry has a representative of the comet we know now as Halley's . nobody knew what a comet WAS but it was definitely not a UFO
Comet_Halley_depicted_on_the_Bayeux_tapestry.jpg
These were so well documented that Halley was able to predict the reappearance of his famous 75 year cycle namesake. Aside from the moon, the planets which were well known and obviously imperfectly understood but predictable and the occasional shooting star and fireball literally nothing changed in the night sky, nothing. There are zero documented UFOs of the type people are refer to when they use that term. Copernicus, Galileo, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Newton, Halley, Messier, Hershel and innumerable others made it their life's work to look at and understand the night sky. nowhere in their volumic output was a UFO type event ever mentioned to my knowledge.

It was not until Sputnik, airplanes, Satellites and people no longer knowing what Venus was and were it would be that UFOs even became a thing. who knows what secret shit our and other governments are working on as well.

our radio signals have only gone out into space for 100 light years. While there are thousands of stars within that expanding sphere it would require them to get the signal and then travel at some fantastical percentage of the speed of light to get to earth even if they chose to do so. the fastest man made object in history is voyager 1 travelling at 38K miles per hour. it would take 70,000 YEARS to reach just the closest star Alpha Centari. and they had to turn off an experiment on that spacecraft just this week because the nuclear reactor generating power is starting to fail. it will never make it 70,000 years.

Never mind the fact that a civilization remotely capable of doing that would have to use some sort of light transmission for communication purposes and we have never detected anything despite the Very Large array VLA specifically designed for that purpose and scanning the skies continuously for the last 46 years as well as crowd sourced efforts as well. the cosmos remains silent of any discernable transmissions similar to what we have been sending out. the tiny blue dot in the insert is how far our radio waves travelling at the speed of light have propogated though the Milky Way. The scale is literally beyond our actual comprehension.

the-distance-human-produced-radio-signals-have-traveled-v0-kt22te3tx7281.webp

so to believe in alien visitors, we have to think that either they have been hopping star to star for time beyond our comprehension and just happened to pick the time we started putting lights in the sky to arrive or they have some way to communicate across the vastness of space without relying on lightwaves which we could easily discover if they are local.

I am certainly open to the idea of life elsewhere in the universe and believe it is very likely Almost certain. It is impossible to speculate on sentient life elsewhere IMO, much less the technology barriers needed to be crossed for interstellar travel. Hell we are likely to run out of time as a species before we cross those barriers ourselves the way things are going. All the science fiction stories about warp drive, dilithium crystals, wormholes etc are fantasy devices devised to create stories and get around the cosmic speed limit of light which Einstein proved.
 
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No I do not believe in UFOs other than they are truly unidentified by the people who can't identify them.

a few points

before light pollution humans knew the night sky well and were extremely aware of it, the constellation names all date from peoples attempt at understanding the firmament and those little lights that showed up at night. the appearance of a comet (really the only thing other than the incredibly rare supernova that changed in the night sky) were considered ominous portents of doom, the Bayeux tapestry has a representative of the comet we know now as Halley's . nobody knew what a comet WAS but it was definitely not a UFO
Comet_Halley_depicted_on_the_Bayeux_tapestry.jpg
These were so well documented that Halley was able to predict the reappearance of his famous 75 year cycle namesake. Aside from the planets which were well known and obviously imperfectly understood and the occasional shooting star and fireball there are no documented UFOs of the type people are referring to. Copernicus, Galileo, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Newton, Halley, Messier, Hershel and innumerable others made it their life's work to look at and understand the night sky. nowhere in their volumic output was a UFO type event ever mentioned to my knowledge.

It was not until Sputnik, airplanes, Satellites and people no longer knowing what Venus was and were it would be that UFOs even became a thing. who knows what secret shit our and other governments are working on as well.

our radio signals have only gone out into space for 100 light years. While there are thousands of stars within that expanding sphere it would require them to get the signal and then travel at some fantastical percentage of the speed of light to get to earth even if they chose to do so. the fastest man made object in history is voyager 1 travelling at 38K miles per hour. it would take 70,000 YEARS to reach just the closest star Alpha Centari. and they had to turn off an experiment on that spacecraft just this week because the nuclear reactor generating power is starting to fail. it will never make it 70,000 years.

Never mind the fact that a civilization remotely capable of doing that would have to use some sort of light transmission for communication purposes and we have never detected anything despite the Very Large array VLA specifically designed for that purpose and scanning the skies continuously for the last 46 years as well as crowd sourced efforts as well. the cosmos remains silent of any discernable transmissions similar to what we have been sending out. the tiny blue dot in the insert is how far our radio waves travelling at the speed of light have propogated though the Milky Way. The scale is literally beyond our actual comprehension.

the-distance-human-produced-radio-signals-have-traveled-v0-kt22te3tx7281.webp

so to believe its aliens, we have to think that either they have been hopping star to star for time beyond our comprehension and just happened to pick the time we started putting lights in the sky to arrive or they have some way to communicate across the vastness of space without relying on lightwaves which we could easily discover if they are local.

I am certainly open to the idea of life elsewhere in the universe and believe it is very likely Almost certain. It is impossible to speculate on sentient life elsewhere IMO, much less the technology barriers needed to be crossed for interstellar travel. Hell we are likely to run out of time as a species before we cross those barriers ourselves the way things are going. All the science fiction stories about warp drive, dilithium crystals, wormholes etc are fantasy devices devised to create stories and get around the cosmic speed limit of light which Einstein proved.
This is a great post. The vast scales of both space and time are difficult for people to wrap their minds around.

Like most other opinions, life outside of earth seems like a virtual certainty. I kind of expect microbial life to be discovered within our solar system in the not too distant future. On the other hand, if I had to guess, I think we never discover something that would be considered a civilization.
 
There is also a very compelling argument that life could really only come online somewhere around this era of the universe. Life on earth has only existed for 20% or so of the history of the universe. Homo sapiens have existed for 0.002% of the universe timeline. The reason for this is that life (at least as we know it) depends on elements that were not formed in the original big bang. The big bang created hydrogen and helium.

If you look at a periodic table all the elements beyond that required stars to create the furnace to create. Oxygen, carbon and iron depend on a star being formed, living its life and dying in a nova to fuse helium into those higher elements. That takes around 100 millions of years or so. Then that star dust has to be scattered through the universe and then get caught into enough gravity to coalece into a new star that has to live its life and be the correct mass and temp to go supernova to create copper, iodine, phosphorus and other elements beyond iron which are needed for terrestrial life. Then that has to form into a solar system and an earth like planet after which everything has to go perfectly right to give life time to emerge. This is estimated to take 9 billion years from the first stars going nova.

Then it took 4 billion years for the molten Earth to cool, water to form, and single cell life to form. Another billion or so more years needed to evolve into humans. So the idea that there is a sentient species that has been around for some exponential longer time that us is not compatible with that reality. The window for sentient life is not much wider than the one we are peering into the cosmos through.
 
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There is also a very compelling argument that life could really only come online somewhere around this era of the universe. Life on earth has only existed for 20% or so of the history of the universe. The reason for this is that life (at least as we know it depends on elements that were not formed in the original big bang. Oxygen, carbon and iron depend on a star being formed, living its life and dying in a nova to fuse helium into those higher elements. That takes millions of years. That star dust has to be scattered through the universe and then coalece into a new star that has to live its life and be the correct mass and temp to go supernova to create copper, iodine, phosphorus and other elements beyond iron which are needed for terrestrial life. Then that has to form into a solar system and an earth like planet after which everything has to go perfectly right to give life time to emerge, then the 500 million more years needed to evolve into humans. So the idea that there is a sentient species that has been around for some exponential longer time that us is not compatible with that reality. The window for sentient life is not much wider than we are peering into the cosmos through.
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That was just a lot to try to comprehend. I don't believe in little green men, but I would not be shocked if there was life somewhere else in our universe and other universes.
Me either. I think it is almost certain that life exists elsewhere. Maybe even sentient life that contemplates on the sky and wonders if 'we' are out there. But they are not here on earth visiting in spaceships and doing anal probes and we are unlikely to ever know they are there. The distances are simply too great for our light signals to make it across the void to each other.
 
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