UNC Basketball Possible coaches - UNC hires ex-Nuggets HC Michael Malone

dukeman92 said:
I think that would be a huge mistake. For this to work, you guys need to let Malone do his thing. If he wants them there, that’s one thing, but if you’re going to be dictating staff/continuity/family to him, this is doomed from the jump.

IMHO of course.
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I wouldn't dictate to him who to keep, but I'd strongly recommend keeping a staff member or two from the current staff - at least for one season - since he's coming from outside the college game and doesn't currently have any staff.

I would have dictated that the program keep Hoots around in some form to be a liaison to the alums, although that wouldn't be a bench or even coaching role.
 
SnoopRob said:
I wouldn't dictate to him who to keep, but I'd strongly recommend keeping a staff member or two from the current staff - at least for one season - since he's coming from outside the college game and doesn't currently have any staff.

I would have dictated that the program keep Hoots around in some form to be a liaison to the alums, although that wouldn't be a bench or even coaching role.
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I'd have been more apt to agree before the Chuck Martin news.

He obviously knows some people. Let him cook, he might be Gordon Ramsey.
 
SnoopRob said:
I'm not quite as worried about the talent level because Carolina Basketball will almost certainly do what it needs to do to bring in near the top of CBB talent whereas Carolina Football doesn't have the money nor brand to make that happen. Carolina Football is more of a "do more with less" program (compared to the upper echelon of CFB) while Carolina Basketball is a "do more with more" program (compared to almost anyone outside of Durham).

I do think he'll need some help understanding the college game from a talent recruitment standpoint, but that's where he hopefully gets good assistants (like the lead assistant coach we're supposedly targeting). And I think that Carolina helps recruit itself (provided the money is right), so I'm not as concerned about talent as I am how it's utilized. And I think we have a coach who will know how to utilize it.
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It's not our ability to get guys we want I'm worried about. It's the ability for Malone to effectively identify and prioritize who he wants successfully when building out a whole roster, understanding that we're not just going to get our first choice all the time. A successful program in this day and age is going to have to do more than just spend a lot of money - they will have to allocate that money effectively and be nimble in filling in the roster around the 2-3 impact players we hope to have every year.
 
dukeman92 said:
I'd have been more apt to agree before the Chuck Martin news.

He obviously knows some people. Let him cook, he might be Gordon Ramsey.
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Oh, I certainly think you want Chuck Martin.

The question is...does Michael Malone know 5 Chuck Martins? If so, yeah, maybe you go for a whole new staff. If not, a little continuity goes a long way (even in small things like being familiar with the Dean Dome, Carolina staff across the BBall program/AD/University, Chapel Hill, alums and stakeholders, etc).
 
One thing I disagree with as far as players getting paid is getting paid directly from the university. They should get a free ride for school and be able to make money from endorsements, doing ads, making appearances and such. But all of that should be done with an agent outside of the school and the school and athletic department should not be involved. I don't know how we went from getting NIL deals to just getting contracts and paid directly from the athletic department. That and the transfer portal has made things too chaotic.
 
rodoheel said:
It's not our ability to get guys we want I'm worried about. It's the ability for Malone to effectively identify and prioritize who he wants successfully when building out a whole roster, understanding that we're not just going to get our first choice all the time. A successful program in this day and age is going to have to do more than just spend a lot of money - they will have to allocate that money effectively and be nimble in filling in the roster around the 2-3 impact players we hope to have every year.
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I agree you're correct, but i would imagine that having worked to build an NBA roster under the current salary cap would have helped create some understanding of how to do that. I don't think there's no risk he won't struggle a bit with it, at least at first, but I don't see it has a huge red flag waving around.

I also think (or at least hope) that his background will help him get a couple more of those "first choice" players than maybe we've gotten over the last few years.
 
rodoheel said:
It's not our ability to get guys we want I'm worried about. It's the ability for Malone to effectively identify and prioritize who he wants successfully when building out a whole roster, understanding that we're not just going to get our first choice all the time. A successful program in this day and age is going to have to do more than just spend a lot of money - they will have to allocate that money effectively and be nimble in filling in the roster around the 2-3 impact players we hope to have every year.
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That’s where the GM comes into play. A lot of the Duke success in the NIL era can be directly attributed to Rachel Baker.
 
StoneColdHeel said:
One thing I disagree with as far as players getting paid is getting paid directly from the university. They should get a free ride for school and be able to make money from endorsements, doing ads, making appearances and such. But all of that should be done with an agent outside of the school and the school and athletic department should not be involved. I don't know how we went from getting NIL deals to just getting contracts and paid directly from the athletic department. That and the transfer portal has made things too chaotic.
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I dunno. Ultimately having most of the money flow from sources outside the school is what has created the biggest part of this mess. That leads you into having to have all these rules and inquiry about whether NIL compensation is really "pay for play." Having the players paid directly from the schools via revenue share, which they're already doing, or salary (should the schools ever just admit they're employees, which they really don't want to do) is much simpler and easier to regulate.
 
Peppers49 said:
Last paragraph hits the nail on the head. All of the people acting like UNC not being able to steal Dusty May or Tommy Lloyd is a major indictment of the program need to take a closer look at all of the best programs from the last decade or so and where they hired their coaches.

It’s a little bit different compared to football, where geography still matters for recruiting purposes and coaches can be enticed to jump from a stable job to one with higher theoretical upside (ex: Lane Kiffin leaving a good setup at Ole Miss because LSU’s HS recruiting footprint is just that good). That sort of thing just isn’t much of a factor on the basketball side.
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It’s not May or Lloyd that bothers me. Not even getting an interview with the Iowa coach is worrisome.
 
StoneColdHeel said:
One thing I disagree with as far as players getting paid is getting paid directly from the university. They should get a free ride for school and be able to make money from endorsements, doing ads, making appearances and such. But all of that should be done with an agent outside of the school and the school and athletic department should not be involved. I don't know how we went from getting NIL deals to just getting contracts and paid directly from the athletic department. That and the transfer portal has made things too chaotic.
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Why pay coaches and not players?
 
Willy said:
It’s not May or Lloyd that bothers me. Not even getting an interview with the Iowa coach is worrisome.
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The Iowa coach had been there one year. Not everyone is Lane Kiffen or Will Wade. We likely gave him a ballpark salary number and he decided it wasn’t worth the friction with his current job to interview.
 
What’s encouraging is the fact that several teams totally remade themselves into much better teams via the portal last season and I am optimistic that UNC can do something similar next year.

Obviously Michigan won the lottery via portal this past season. But look also at: Miami, Louisville, Nebraska, St John’s, Florida, Iowa, some others… we did ok too landing Veesaar.

With any luck at all Tanner and Malone can totally rebuild IMMEDIATELY via the portal and perhaps even talk Veesaar into a senior year with us, and hopefully also keep the top freshman HD successfully recruited.

Just like baseball in April, hope springs eternal.
 
Willy said:
It’s not May or Lloyd that bothers me. Not even getting an interview with the Iowa coach is worrisome.
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That was my first reaction too, but even at that level of candidates there are going to be a lot of guys that are perfectly content with their current position and just don’t have interest in any other job. Could be for basketball reasons (don’t want the stress and expectations that come with a job like UNC), or maybe they just like living in their current city and don’t want to uproot their family.

To one of Snoop’s comments earlier this morning, I do think that if UNC had honed in more on candidates in McCollum’s tier they probably could have gotten at least one of them to bite. Just doesn’t seem like that’s where the energy was focused.
 
Calheel said:
The Iowa coach had been there one year. Not everyone is Lane Kiffen or Will Wade. We likely gave him a ballpark salary number and he decided it wasn’t worth the friction with his current job to interview.
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Not only had he been there for only 1 year, he’d only been at his previous school for 1 year.

Had McCollum taken the Carolina job, he’d have been at his 4th school in 4 years (the VAL plan!) and have gone from a D2 program to a top 3 job in CBB in that time.

I can certainly see why he might have not have thought it was a good time to change schools again.
 
Peppers49 said:
That was my first reaction too, but even at that level of candidates there are going to be a lot of guys that are perfectly content with their current position and just don’t have interest in any other job. Could be for basketball reasons (don’t want the stress and expectations that come with a job like UNC), or maybe they just like living in their current city and don’t want to uproot their family.

To one of Snoop’s comments earlier this morning, I do think that if UNC had honed in more on candidates in McCollum’s tier they probably could have gotten at least one of them to bite. Just doesn’t seem like that’s where the energy was focused.
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We definitley would have gotten Byington. They just decided his 10 million buyout was a non starter (similar with Mccasland) and decided to move in the Malone direction. I’m not sure that’s the correct decision, i would prefer that we hired a college coach to coach in college, but given his first few moves, he is at least approaching it in the correct manner (as opposed to Bellichick)

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We also def would have gotten Lloyd if Purdue wins or if their president didn’t decide to upend their entire Athletic Department
 
Willy said:
It’s not May or Lloyd that bothers me. Not even getting an interview with the Iowa coach is worrisome.
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Not to me. It just means the Iowa coach has different priorities.

You give too much power to random people if you assume their individual reactions are reality.
 
After sleeping on it, I feel much better about the hire. He seems to be doing the smart moves with who he is targeting for assistants. The former players seemed pumped, and the ones that have been coached by him say that he's a master tactician. I am ready to see how portal season goes now.
 
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