UNC Basketball Possible coaches

Centerpiece said:
Not my words. Stolen from a Carolina FB group:

“There are two kinds of Carolina fans: "2000 Fans" and "Post-2000 Fans".

If you are a "2000 Fan" (like myself), then you were deeply affected by two events:

July 6, 2000 - Roy Williams throws a Kansas pep rally after reneging on a handshake agreement to become UNC's next BB coach. AD Dick Baddour panics and hastily hires UNC alum and first-year Notre Dame coach Matt Doherty on July 11.

November 27, 2000 - Frank Beamer throws a Virginia Tech pep rally after reneging on a handshake agreement to become UNC's next FB coach. Baddour panics and hastily hires UNC alum and Saints LB coach John Bunting on December 11.

But if you are a "Post-2000 Fan", you don't recall the humbling events of 2000. You utter phrases like "WE ARE CAROLINA" and "Best Job in the Country", when justifying the firings of Mack Brown and Hubert Davis.
In basketball, your view of the Roy hiring (April, 2003) is rosy, because it ended well. It was inevitable that UNC would get Roy, because WE ARE CAROLINA, right? You cannot comprehend "Jayhawk shirt-sticker Roy" who planned to stay at Kansas permanently. (What would "The UNC BB Standard" be if Roy had stuck with Kansas a second time, I wonder?)
In football, you have no memory of Mack Brown's 90s success, culminating in consecutive top-10 finishes, before Baddour let him leave for Texas. You weren't there when he hastily hired inexperienced DC Carl Torbush, after a circle of players stormed his office. To you, UNC Football has always been mediocre for 100+ years, and getting "Beamered" (by the non-ACC Hokies) should have been no surprise.
In short, you have no idea why "2000 Fans" are pessimistic about UNC's ability to land a top coach for the Best Job In The Country. (It must be our alleged "acceptance of mediocrity", or a weird obsession with Davis and Brown...)
The truth? We were there in 2000, and you weren't. Our ADMINISTRATION IS MEDIOCRE. That's where the tolerance for incompetence begins and ends.
We know what a crock the WE ARE CAROLINA hubris is. We know what MULTIPLE botched search processes look like. We know what a crutch "pulling family heartstrings" was to get Roy (and Mack 2.0).

We can see from the Belichick hire that nothing has changed since the Baddour years. They are incapable of saying "no" to impatient donors who like Super Bowl rings and want immediate success.
This administration has no idea how to identify long-term talent. Their only strategy is to throw a lot of money at whoever appears successful at the moment. (Because we think we're the only school that has money.)

And once May and Donovan both say no, history will repeat itself. We are scheduled for our "Plan D panic hire" sometime around April 20. Get the popcorn.”
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Like many posts here over the last few weeks, that FB post comes from another person determined to make some black and white debate (a clash between two widely diverging worldviews - you are either in one camp or the other) out of a situation that has shades of gray. The idea that the only fans who wanted to move on from Hubert (or Mack 2.0, for that matter) are these chest-thumping neophytes who naively believe we can get any coach we want is, of course, foolish. As is the idea that anyone who wanted to move on from Hubert must not be familiar with, or have considered, past botched UNC job searches.

But in any event you can see how forced the theory behind that post is from the attempt to suggest that the Bill Belichick and Carl Torbush hires demonstrate similar flaws in process. When in fact the two hires happened due to wildly different processes, with wildly different motives, in the context of wildly different UNC athletics departments. Just because UNC football has made many poor decisions since 2000 does not mean all those poor decisions happened for the same reason.

It's also conspicuous that in detailing the poor decisions by the UNC athletics department, the post omits any mention of what turned out to be a poor decision to hire Hubert. If you wanted to compare any hire to the Torbush hire, THAT would make a lot more sense than anything else.
 
rodoheel said:
Like many posts here over the last few weeks, that FB post comes from another person determined to make some black and white debate (a clash between two widely diverging worldviews - you are either in one camp or the other) out of a situation that has shades of gray. The idea that the only fans who wanted to move on from Hubert (or Mack 2.0, for that matter) are these chest-thumping neophytes who naively believe we can get any coach we want is, of course, foolish. As is the idea that anyone who wanted to move on from Hubert must not be familiar with, or have considered, past botched UNC job searches.

But in any event you can see how forced the theory behind that post is from the attempt to suggest that the Bill Belichick and Carl Torbush hires demonstrate similar flaws in process. When in fact the two hires happened due to wildly different processes, with wildly different motives, in the context of wildly different UNC athletics departments. Just because UNC football has made many poor decisions since 2000 does not mean all those poor decisions happened for the same reason.

It's also conspicuous that in detailing the poor decisions by the UNC athletics department, the post omits any mention of what turned out to be a poor decision to hire Hubert. If you wanted to compare any hire to the Torbush hire, THAT would make a lot more sense than anything else.
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Very well (and succinctly) said. Also, doesn't this website/forum exist in part so that we can live our lives without having to see whatever sewage is being posted on facebook by angry boomers?
 
rodoheel said:
Calling the search failed before it’s over is really silly
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We’ve had numerous coaches associated with the UNC job and many/most have said no.

We’re looking like ncsulol with the big swing-and-a-miss.

Antiquated Billy Donovan isn’t a home run hire.

“Hey, we’re going to fire Hubert!”

“OK. Who replaces him?”

“60+ Billy Donovan who has sucked in the NBA. Or, Sean May.”

“Great plan.”

We’re hiring a 4th tier coach. Maybe 5th.

We allowed supposedly elite names to be floated.

I’m glad we’ve helped a slew of coaches get big raises.
 
Zoo_View said:
We’ve had numerous coaches associated with the UNC job and many/most have said no.

We’re looking like ncsulol with the big swing-and-a-miss.

Antiquated Billy Donovan isn’t a home run hire.

“Hey, we’re going to fire Hubert!”

“OK. Who replaces him?”

“60+ Billy Donovan who has sucked in the NBA. Or, Sean May.”

“Great plan.”

We’re hiring a 4th tier coach. Maybe 5th.

We allowed supposedly elite names to be floated.

I’m glad we’ve helped a slew of coaches get big raises.
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The only ones I know of that have said no are Lloyd and Otzelberger.
 
Zoo_View said:
We’ve had numerous coaches associated with the UNC job and many/most have said no.

We’re looking like ncsulol with the big swing-and-a-miss.

Antiquated Billy Donovan isn’t a home run hire.

“Hey, we’re going to fire Hubert!”

“OK. Who replaces him?”

“60+ Billy Donovan who has sucked in the NBA. Or, Sean May.”

“Great plan.”

We’re hiring a 4th tier coach. Maybe 5th.

We allowed supposedly elite names to be floated.

I’m glad we’ve helped a slew of coaches get big raises.
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Bigs23 said:
Maybe an idea that they would be able land an A-lister.
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As I have said repeatedly, absent a unicorn Roy Williams-type situation there is no way to know the true interest level of the “A-listers” until your job is actually open. The idea that we should have waited until we knew an elite coach was about to fall into our lap is a fantasy.
 
rodoheel said:
As I have said repeatedly, absent a unicorn Roy Williams-type situation there is no way to know the true interest level of the “A-listers” until your job is actually open. The idea that we should have waited until we knew an elite coach was about to fall into our lap is a fantasy.
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Falling into their lap should never have been part of the plan, I agree.

Solid plans B, C, and D is what I'm talking about.
 
rodoheel said:
Their plan was to pursue the best coach possible for UNC. What else were you expecting? That we already had a handshake deal with Hurley before firing Hubert?
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No.

I knew Lee Roberts and his fellow MAGAts were leading the coaching search.

My expectations are Bill Belichick-esque.

Edited to add: I don’t mean the Bill Belichick that Tom Brady carried to 6 Super Bowl titles.

I mean the Bill Belichick who sucked at UNC in 2025 and who might win 3 games at UNC in 2026.
 
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UNCatTech said:
It's starting to feel like they didn't have a plan when they fired Hubert.
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I don't think they intended to get rid of HD after this season. But, realizing that there would not be enough money to field a team, they had to make a move. They also probably didn't realize how far Carolina basketball has fallen off in the eyes of the landscape, and set their list of candidates way too high.
 
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