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I don't think they intended to get rid of HD after this season. But, realizing that there would not be enough money to field a team, they had to make a move. They also probably didn't realize how far Carolina basketball has fallen off in the eyes of the landscape, and set their list of candidates way too high.
I’m not sure they set their sights too high. It took Arizona giving Lloyd a huge raise and agreeing to a fairly unprecedented extended athletic department restructuring to keep him from leaving for our job.

If you get your first target in a coaching search, that probably means you didn’t aim high enough.
 
I’m not sure they set their sights too high. It took Arizona giving Lloyd a huge raise and agreeing to a fairly unprecedented extended athletic department restructuring to keep him from leaving for our job.

If you get your first target in a coaching search, that probably means you didn’t aim high enough.
He took less than we were offering, and I don't think his desire was to not have to report to an AD, I think it was that he didn't want to have to deal with his AD. While you can argue, effectively, that those are the same, I still think it's different.

It's looking more and more likely that we're going to end up with someone who was a tier III target on their original list (or not even on it, with the addition of Drew). I'd say that is a list that is too ambitious.
 
I don't think they intended to get rid of HD after this season. But, realizing that there would not be enough money to field a team, they had to make a move. They also probably didn't realize how far Carolina basketball has fallen off in the eyes of the landscape, and set their list of candidates way too high.
“But, realizing that there would not be enough money to field a team, they had to make a move. ”

If true, what a sad commentary on the state of college athletics. May be time to admit college football and basketball are professional and outsource.
 
He took less than we were offering, and I don't think his desire was to not have to report to an AD, I think it was that he didn't want to have to deal with his AD. While you can argue, effectively, that those are the same, I still think it's different.

It's looking more and more likely that we're going to end up with someone who was a tier III target on their original list (or not even on it, with the addition of Drew). I'd say that is a list that is too ambitious.
Yeah, I’d frame it that Lloyd hates his AD, we offered more money, Arizona has an uncertain financial future, and he still said no. They only had to restructure who he reported to because he hated his boss.
 
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The one guy on the list that I absolutely do not want is Scott Drew. It’s funny, because I shared that sentiment a couple years ago on IC when people were talking him up as a potential replacement for Hubert, and posters jumped down my throat, telling me I was wrong to think he was anything less than a great coach. Now it’s nearly unanimous on IC that he would be a bad hire. I feel vindicated.
 
It seems the athletic department is being run by the boosters. It also seems the boosters expected to buy any coach they wanted and the new coach would immediately be better than the old coach. Coach Davis was clearly a better coach in year 5 than when he was hired, and may be better than the next hire.
Faulty assumptions by the wealthy donors:
1. They can get other people to do what they want because they have money. Often true, but people sometimes do things for reasons other than money (and people at other schools have money, too).
2. The next coach is going to be a huge upgrade over the last coach.
3. Carolina is a dream job for plenty of A-list candidates.
4. The current administration can successfully execute a high-level search and recruitment.

Be careful what you wish for...
 
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I’m not sure they set their sights too high. It took Arizona giving Lloyd a huge raise and agreeing to a fairly unprecedented extended athletic department restructuring to keep him from leaving for our job.

If you get your first target in a coaching search, that probably means you didn’t aim high enough.
Unless you did what it took to get the guy you wanted.
 
It seems the athletic department is being run by the boosters. It also seems the boosters expected to buy any coach they wanted and the new coach would immediately be better than the old coach. Coach Davis was clearly a better coach in year 5 than when he was hired, and may be better than the next hire.
Faulty assumptions by the wealthy donors:
1. They can get other people to do what they want because they have money. Often true, but people sometimes do things for reasons other than money (and people at other schools have money, too).
2. The next coach is going to be a huge upgrade over the last coach.
3. Carolina is a dream job for plenty of A-list candidates.
4. The current administration can successfully execute a high-level search and recruitment.

Be careful what you wish for...
Yeah, seems that the general consensus was that we would have no problem obtaining a top five coach. It doesn’t look like that will likely happen. We may get a high upside up-and-comer, but I don’t think we are going to roll out a top five coach next year, and we may spend $15MM in buyouts to get there. Donors do not have unlimited funds and there are competing priorities, and Belichick is a considerable drain on resources. Luckily, we have a PE guy in charge who can leverage our financial future to the gills.
 
“But, realizing that there would not be enough money to field a team, they had to make a move. ”

If true, what a sad commentary on the state of college athletics. May be time to admit college football and basketball are professional and outsource.
It seems the athletic department is being run by the boosters. It also seems the boosters expected to buy any coach they wanted and the new coach would immediately be better than the old coach. Coach Davis was clearly a better coach in year 5 than when he was hired, and may be better than the next hire.
Faulty assumptions by the wealthy donors:
1. They can get other people to do what they want because they have money. Often true, but people sometimes do things for reasons other than money (and people at other schools have money, too).
2. The next coach is going to be a huge upgrade over the last coach.
3. Carolina is a dream job for plenty of A-list candidates.
4. The current administration can successfully execute a high-level search and recruitment.

Be careful what you wish for...
Many fans are also believing 2 and 4 to be true. We'll see.
 
Yeah, seems that the general consensus was that we would have no problem obtaining a top five coach. It doesn’t look like that will likely happen. We may get a high upside up-and-comer, but I don’t think we are going to roll out a top five coach next year, and we may spend $15MM in buyouts to get there. Donors do not have unlimited funds and there are competing priorities, and Belichick is a considerable drain on resources.
That Belichick hire was was such a disaster.
 
The one guy on the list that I absolutely do not want is Scott Drew. It’s funny, because I shared that sentiment a couple years ago on IC when people were talking him up as a potential replacement for Hubert, and posters jumped down my throat, telling me I was wrong to think he was anything less than a great coach. Now it’s nearly unanimous on IC that he would be a bad hire. I feel vindicated.
I agree with you on that.
 
He took less than we were offering, and I don't think his desire was to not have to report to an AD, I think it was that he didn't want to have to deal with his AD. While you can argue, effectively, that those are the same, I still think it's different.

It's looking more and more likely that we're going to end up with someone who was a tier III target on their original list (or not even on it, with the addition of Drew). I'd say that is a list that is too ambitious.
When you have the best job opening currently on the market, you have to make the dream options say no first, IMO. Like, i never thought there was a snowball's chance in hell Brad Stevens was coming here, but I understand why they called him to make him say that. Our hire will be a "Tier III" target only in the sense that our Tier 1 targets in particular were shooting for the moon. We are still likely to get the best coach who moves jobs this offseason. It's not like targets are turning us down to take another job; they're just not leaving their current jobs.

I do think we got a little unlucky here in that May and Lloyd were top targets and their teams both went to the FF. Obviously it would have been much better to get a final answer for them more quickly.
 
Faulty assumptions by the wealthy donors:
1. They can get other people to do what they want because they have money. Often true, but people sometimes do things for reasons other than money (and people at other schools have money, too).
3. Carolina is a dream job for plenty of A-list candidates.
If these assumptions, in particular, were being made by the people running the search, then I agree that was the wrong way to be approaching things. But I also think we had to move on from Hubert regardless.
Coach Davis was clearly a better coach in year 5 than when he was hired, and may be better than the next hire.
I don't think this was clear at all. He did do a better job winning big games this year compared to in previous years, but the VCU game was a vintage illustration of the coaching mistakes that have characterized his career - coaching scared/tight with a lead, defaulting to riding his best lineup into the ground without trusting reserves, unable to get the team to execute successfully in the biggest crunch-time possessions. Also worth noting that Hubert had more NCAAT wins in his first year as coach than he did the next four years combined. You just can't look at a coach who only got higher than a 6 seed once in all 5 years and only got past the first round of the tournament once in his last four seasons as being on the rise - especially when it seemed highly likely that next year's team would be worse than this year's, even before the booster revolt.
 
If these assumptions, in particular, were being made by the people running the search, then I agree that was the wrong way to be approaching things. But I also think we had to move on from Hubert regardless.

I don't think this was clear at all. He did do a better job winning big games this year compared to in previous years, but the VCU game was a vintage illustration of the coaching mistakes that have characterized his career - coaching scared/tight with a lead, defaulting to riding his best lineup into the ground without trusting reserves, unable to get the team to execute successfully in the biggest crunch-time possessions. Also worth noting that Hubert had more NCAAT wins in his first year as coach than he did the next four years combined. You just can't look at a coach who only got higher than a 6 seed once in all 5 years and only got past the first round of the tournament once in his last four seasons as being on the rise - especially when it seemed highly likely that next year's team would be worse than this year's, even before the booster revolt.
I don't think he was any better, either. There was a pattern to most of the losses. They either came out flat and got way behind in the first half or they had a big lead in the second half and collapsed. Very few of the losses were back and forth and close throughout the game.
 
I don't think he was any better, either. There was a pattern to most of the losses. They either came out flat and got way behind in the first half or they had a big lead in the second half and collapsed. Very few of the losses were back and forth and close throughout the game.
Serious question: What qualities or absence in quality does coach possess to create those types of performances? I would default to not being able to to make consistently strong in-game adjustments.
 
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