UNC Basketball Possible coaches

rodoheel said:
I understanding the thinking, but I think that would be an unwarranted conclusion. Like I said, it carries with it an implicit assumption that there is another "top destination" that would have caused our top targets to leave their current job, and we just won't know that. Unless one of our top targets spurns us and takes the KU job, should it come open - that would be a good reason to be depressed about the whole thing.
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Ah, I'm coming at from the thought that schools have a "pull." Schools with more pull will be able to bring in coaches with more attraction to their current position than schools with less pull. I think when folks say Carolina basketball is the/a top destination that means it has more pull than (almost) any other program. If that is true, then we should be able to pull any coach away from any other program, all things being equal. However, of course all things aren't equal, folks have personal reasons for staying where they are currently coaching, and these reasons might couple with the pull being applied by their present school to give an effective attraction that our pull can't overcome. However, if more than a couple of coaches decide not to come here then I think it's logical to assume (basing off of odds*) that our pull was not as strong as we thought it was; that is, we're not the top destination...maybe there isn't one.

*What are the odds that 3+ coaches are attracted more to their current coaching position than they are to coaching at the top job in the country?
 
Heelsandeers said:
Dusty seems like the most likely college coach to leave for the NBA at some point. Still could see him taking another college job first

If UNC is going to make someone the highest paid coach in the sport what are the chances Arizona/Michigan are willing to match?
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As I have said before, Michigan's deeper pockets won't matter much. Yes they would match but it won't be about money. Being the head basketball coach at UNC is like being the head football coach at Michigan. Yall dont live with and around Michigan fans. I do. They talk about spring practice during the NCAA hoops tournament in the same way that Carolina fans would talk about basketball when Mack was 11-1. That shit gets old for premiere coaches.
 
stankeylegjones said:
*What are the odds that 3+ coaches are attracted more to their current coaching position than they are to coaching at the top job in the country?
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If those coaches are TJO, Lloyd, and May? At least moderately high. All of those guys are highly successful right now. All of them might be about to make the Final 4 with their current school. All of them are coaching at programs that are at least arguably in better shape than UNC's program right now.

May is at a program that likely has more resources than ours, where his current team evidences that he can get the top guys out of the portal. What is the argument that UNC would give him a better chance to contend than where he already is?

Lloyd is at a program that is definitely better than ours right now where he has proven that he can recruit and compete for titles just as well as he could at UNC. I honestly think it would be more surprising if he wanted to leave unless we can pay him way more than Zona, which seems unlikely.

TJO is the one who, on paper, would have the most reason to want to leave, but he seems to be a very good cultural fit at ISU and he's put together three straight contending teams so he has every reason to believe he can compete for a title there. I'm not sure he's right - ISU is gonna lose a lot this year when Lipsey, Jefferson, and Heise move on, so IMO this is the right time for him to get an elite job if he ever wants it - but he may truly not want to take any other job right now.

If Kansas and UNC are both open and none of those three take either job, is the conclusion that Kansas and UNC are no longer elite jobs, or simply that it's difficult to get someone to move when they are already succeeding at the highest level and happy in their current job?

I feel we may have a warped perception based on Roy taking our job in 2003. That was a unique circumstance with Roy having incredibly strong personal ties to our job - and he still turned it down the first time! Who is the last coach with a resume on par with Lloyd, May, or TJO who moved jobs voluntarily when he was happy at his current school? It simply does not happen, for any job, very often.
 
rodoheel said:
If those coaches are TJO, Lloyd, and May? At least moderately high. All of those guys are highly successful right now. All of them might be about to make the Final 4 with their current school. All of them are coaching at programs that are at least arguably in better shape than UNC's program right now.

May is at a program that likely has more resources than ours, where his current team evidences that he can get the top guys out of the portal. What is the argument that UNC would give him a better chance to contend than where he already is?

Lloyd is at a program that is definitely better than ours right now where he has proven that he can recruit and compete for titles just as well as he could at UNC. I honestly think it would be more surprising if he wanted to leave unless we can pay him way more than Zona, which seems unlikely.

TJO is the one who, on paper, would have the most reason to want to leave, but he seems to be a very good cultural fit at ISU and he's put together three straight contending teams so he has every reason to believe he can compete for a title there. I'm not sure he's right - ISU is gonna lose a lot this year when Lipsey, Jefferson, and Heise move on, so IMO this is the right time for him to get an elite job if he ever wants it - but he may truly not want to take any other job right now.

If Kansas and UNC are both open and none of those three take either job, is the conclusion that Kansas and UNC are no longer elite jobs, or simply that it's difficult to get someone to move when they are already succeeding at the highest level and happy in their current job?

I feel we may have a warped perception based on Roy taking our job in 2003. That was a unique circumstance with Roy having incredibly strong personal ties to our job - and he still turned it down the first time! Who is the last coach with a resume on par with Lloyd, May, or TJO who moved jobs voluntarily when he was happy at his current school? It simply does not happen, for any job, very often.
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wmheel1287 said:
As I have said before, Michigan's deeper pockets won't matter much. Yes they would match but it won't be about money. Being the head basketball coach at UNC is like being the head football coach at Michigan. Yall dont live with and around Michigan fans. I do. They talk about spring practice during the NCAA hoops tournament in the same way that Carolina fans would talk about basketball when Mack was 11-1. That shit gets old for premiere coaches.
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I’ve heard from Michigan folks that isn’t a negative for Dusty. Doesn’t mind operating behind the scenes and values a functional organization more than anything

He was well aware Michigan is a football school when taking the job, while passing on his alma mater where he would have been the biggest thing around (for a little while at least)
 
UNCRx85 said:
Yeah, pushing Cal out after a HOF career seemed like a very Kentucky thing to do. I think everyone agreed we needed to move on from Hubert and fully understood the move. Hell, most probably wondered what took us so long…
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I think UK occupies its own place in CBB in that it does come with a lot of resources, but it’s also got the bat shit craziest fan base and the expectations there are ridiculous.

I think it’s viewed by coaches as a bit higher risk (for similar resources) than UNC, dook, or KU.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Yes, I agree. But, if we strike out on our tier 1 choices (Lloyd, TJO, May, ?) and end up with someone like Byington, while a good coach, I think it says that we're not the top destination we once were (said) to be.

Here's to this being a moot point 🍻 .
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Byington would be an excellent coach here and a significant upgrade. If we could be so lucky. Any program should be very excited about getting him.
 
rodoheel said:
If those coaches are TJO, Lloyd, and May? At least moderately high. All of those guys are highly successful right now. All of them might be about to make the Final 4 with their current school. All of them are coaching at programs that are at least arguably in better shape than UNC's program right now.

May is at a program that likely has more resources than ours, where his current team evidences that he can get the top guys out of the portal. What is the argument that UNC would give him a better chance to contend than where he already is?

Lloyd is at a program that is definitely better than ours right now where he has proven that he can recruit and compete for titles just as well as he could at UNC. I honestly think it would be more surprising if he wanted to leave unless we can pay him way more than Zona, which seems unlikely.

TJO is the one who, on paper, would have the most reason to want to leave, but he seems to be a very good cultural fit at ISU and he's put together three straight contending teams so he has every reason to believe he can compete for a title there. I'm not sure he's right - ISU is gonna lose a lot this year when Lipsey, Jefferson, and Heise move on, so IMO this is the right time for him to get an elite job if he ever wants it - but he may truly not want to take any other job right now.

If Kansas and UNC are both open and none of those three take either job, is the conclusion that Kansas and UNC are no longer elite jobs, or simply that it's difficult to get someone to move when they are already succeeding at the highest level and happy in their current job?

I feel we may have a warped perception based on Roy taking our job in 2003. That was a unique circumstance with Roy having incredibly strong personal ties to our job - and he still turned it down the first time! Who is the last coach with a resume on par with Lloyd, May, or TJO who moved jobs voluntarily when he was happy at his current school? It simply does not happen, for any job, very often.
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I still hold that if those three turn us down then that points towards Carolina basketball not being considered the top spot. Yes, it wouldn't be as strong of evidence if KU opens and one of them turns us down to take the KU job, but it would still be evidence, imo.

Hopefully we don't have anything to debate....
 
SnoopRob said:
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stankeylegjones said:
I still hold that if those three turn us down then that points towards Carolina basketball not being considered the top spot. Yes, it wouldn't be as strong of evidence if KU opens and one of them turns us down to take the KU job, but it would still be evidence, imo.

Hopefully we don't have anything to debate....
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I think we should just go ahead and acknowledge that even in a best case scenario UNC is not going to be considered the top job by everyone because what is the "top job" is subjective, not objective. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if that's the way you look at it. What we are hoping is that the UNC job is one of the most desirable jobs in the country. Whether or not we get one of those three specific top targets informs that question, but doesn't necessarily answer it if they all turn it down.
 
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SnoopRob said:
Are we going to do that?

That’d be quite the change from how we’ve traditionally gotten coaches below market value.
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I mean, if you are going to go after 2 coaches that are currently 1 seeds and among favorites to win a championship this year, at programs with a lot a resources, I sure hope the plan isn’t to offer pennies on the dollar
 
Heelsandeers said:
I mean, if you are going to go after 2 coaches that are currently 1 seeds and among favorites to win a championship this year, at programs with a lot a resources, I sure hope the plan isn’t to offer pennies on the dollar
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I'm sure we can come up with dimes. 🤣

I would guess we'll certainly be paying more than we have in the past, I just haven't heard we'll be the highest paying job.
 
Calheel said:
Byington would be an excellent coach here and a significant upgrade. If we could be so lucky. Any program should be very excited about getting him.
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I'm m not sure he'd be a significant upgrade. It would not be a home run hire by any means.
 
Bigs23 said:
I'm m not sure he'd be a significant upgrade. It would not be a home run hire by any means.
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Disagree. Strongly. We’d be back atop the ACC in short order with that hire. He is No. 1 for me. But there are plenty of excellent choices as I’ve said repeatedly since January.
 
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