UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[Calheel]

Guy, you’re missing the point. It seems that a lot of people who looked at his tape came away not blown away by him. A lot of those folks are paid to do this, either for outlets or because they are part of programs. Sometimes people come out and play well above what their projection/expectations are.

With due respect, you are missing the point. We have the most expensive general manager in college football. We should be at the very top of identifying, selecting and retaining portal talent. Instead, we have that jackoff Lombardi who is an arrogant asshole telling experienced COLLEGE personnel people (presumably, people like Suddes, who is a rock star) that they don't know what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

If you are going to be an arrogant prick in KFC, you better be the smartest mfer in the whole building. Instead, they have made this thing into a disaster and UVa personnel department has made Tony Elliot -- Tony frickin Elliot -- look like a coaching genius.

Just how bad of a GM do you have to be to make Tony Elliot look like 10x the coach of Bill Belichick.

 

[stankeylegjones]

My biggest thing with Lopez is, maybe he is not a P4 talented quarterback, but we are absolutely not doing him any favors by putting him under center, doing NFL style slow developing play action, etc. I would really like to see them start utilizing him in the running game and I am shocked that we haven’t so far. I distinctly remember in 2014 when the coaching staff finally realized that Marquise Williams looks entirely different when the defense had to account for his ability to move the chains by running the ball, it turned that crappy season around, or at the very least made us more competitive.

I don’t want to imply that Gio is nearly as talented as Marquise was (Quise was a 4 star QB out of high school whom Virginia Tech badly wanted back when Virginia Tech wasn’t garbage). But to me, the similarity exists in that both coaching staffs then and now have been initially fixated on making both of those guys pocket passers when they are not. Fedora figured it out.

I definitely agree. The only thing I can think of is that maybe he’s not comfortable running the style of offense that fits him because of nagging injuries. But then, is he better, given the offense they’re running/have to run to protect him, than the other qbs?

 

[Calheel]

Ironically, the last time UNC had that type of hope was this part of the season in 2023 before a moribund UVA team sent the program into a death spiral that we still haven’t climbed out of lol.

How is this for irony. Posters on the Sabre were upset before that game that Virginia had spurned Mack Brown's interest in 2019. They were fantasizing about an alternative universe in which UVa had hired Mack and how different their football fortunes would have been if they had gone that route.

 

[stankeylegjones]

With due respect, you are missing the point. We have the most expensive general manager in college football. We should be at the very top of identifying, selecting and retaining portal talent. Instead, we have that jackoff Lombardi who is an arrogant asshole telling experienced COLLEGE personnel people (presumably, people like Suddes, who is a rock star) that they don't know what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

If you are going to be an arrogant prick in KFC, you better be the smartest mfer in the whole building. Instead, they have made this thing into a disaster and UVa personnel department has made Tony Elliot -- Tony frickin Elliot -- look like a coaching genius.

Just how bad of a GM do you have to be to make Tony Elliot look like 10x the coach of Bill Belichick.

Do you think winning the lottery takes a lot of talent and skill?

 

[Calheel]

Do you think winning the lottery takes a lot of talent and skill?

Do you think being a successful GM is simply a matter of luck?

 

[stankeylegjones]

Do you think being a successful GM is simply a matter of luck?

Of course not, but given that the other schools recruiting him were OkSt, UCF and Memphis, I’d say that UVA got incredibly lucky with him.

Did you lose all faith in Roy when he offered Brandan Wright over KD?

If you think that every person who evaluates talent for a career and misses on one is a moron at their profession then you’re not going to find a competent talent evaluated anywhere, at any level.

Of all the things to bitch about with this group, and there are a lot, you choose the one that is common among all programs.

 

[takingAdookie]

What are we paying the big bucks to BB for? Isn't the GOAT supposed to be the GOAT?

 

[Calheel]

Of course not, but given that the other schools recruiting him were OkSt, UCF and Memphis, I’d say that UVA got incredibly lucky with him.

Did you lose all faith in Roy when he offered Brandan Wright over KD?

If you think that every person who evaluates talent for a career and misses on one is a moron at their profession then you’re not going to find a competent talent evaluated anywhere, at any level.

Of all the things to bitch about with this group, and there are a lot, you choose the one that is common among all programs.

1. QB is the single most important job of a college GM.
2. If this were just about one miss, I'd be quiet. Lots of good GMs missed on Tom Brady too. But the disfunction in our player personnel department runs far deeper. As the Athletic article illustrates (https://archive.ph/Z8LFC) there is A LOT wrong with this program right now.
3. Look at the talent at UVA vs. UNC. Why is UVA more talented? We both got infusions of cash to hit the transfer portal. But UNC got infusions of cash to get a massive player personnel department. Why did UVA so outperform UNC? As the article makes clear, the explanation is not just a late start. Lombardi is a disaster hire and can't lead a player personnel department in the NFL, much less college. He does not know what he doesn't know and he has no interest in learning from people he thinks are beneath him.

 

[stankeylegjones]

1. QB is the single most important job of a college GM.
2. If this were just about one miss, I'd be quiet. Lots of good GMs missed on Tom Brady too. But the disfunction in our player personnel department runs far deeper. As the Athletic article illustrates (https://archive.ph/Z8LFC) there is A LOT wrong with this program right now.
3. Look at the talent at UVA vs. UNC. Why is UVA more talented. We both got infusions of cash to hit the transfer portal. But UNC got infusions of cash to get a massive player personnel department. Why did UVA so outperform UNC? As the article makes clear, the explanation is not just a late start. Lombardi is a disaster hire and can't lead a player personnel department in the NFL, much less college. He does not know what he doesn't know and he has no interest in learning from people he thinks are beneath him.

These are more legit gripes, imo. I am not going to gripe about them, or all of the others, missing out on Morris, nor do I think it’s a legit gripe.

 

[Calheel]

These are more legit gripes, imo. I am not going to gripe about them, or all of the others, missing out on Morris, nor do I think it’s a legit gripe.

The issue with Morris is not just the miss per se, it is him talking down to our existing personnel folks that Morris is not an NFL QB - as if: (1) our guys didn’t know that and (2) that should be a relevant consideration when building the team.

 

[stankeylegjones]

The issue with Morris is not just the miss per se, it is him talking down to our existing personnel folks that Morris is not an NFL QB - as if: (1) our guys didn’t know that and (2) that should be a relevant consideration when building the team.

I guess I would need to be there before I passed judgement. Who knows the context, atmosphere, etc. of that conversation.

Also, I'm confused now with your (1). Weren't you just railing on the guy for not seeing Morris was going to have a break out year, yet now saying that our guys also didn't see it coming?

Not that it matters, since we're reading second-hand "sourced" info, rather than actually being there.

 

[heel79]

The issue with Morris is not just the miss per se, it is him talking down to our existing personnel folks that Morris is not an NFL QB - as if: (1) our guys didn’t know that and (2) that should be a relevant consideration when building the team.

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[gregh1]

you get culture change by winning. you win with better players. every great coach will tell you they were great because they had great players. its pay for play so spend on talent not coaches....especially not coaches older than some rocks.

Not entirely. The culture of softness on the field that we've seen since Withers left won't change simply via getting wins.
2009 seemed tough, but they only won 8 games in 2008, 4 in 2007. So what made them tough?
We won 11 games with Marquise and I don't think that made Fed's trenches any less soft the next yr.
2022 we won the Coastal and 9 total games via Drake Maybe, but the next yr we still weren't a hard-nosed team.

 

[gregh1]

Since they are our upcoming opponent, they have been on my mind, but I was looking earlier because I was curious to see what their transfer portal class was ranked compared to ours. It looks like they were 26th and we were 9th. They have definitely done a really good job of identifying good fits for their roster and for their program culture. I really hope that our personnel staffers are taking note because it’s going to be imperative that we hit on far more portal additions then we miss on this off-season.

Something I hate about this ranking is that it puts no value on someone being winter vs spring. I think OL particularly are less helpful if they don't arrive til summer. I looked at teams who were starting OL transfers (and many are) and the vast majority were winter portal.

 

[Calheel]

I guess I would need to be there before I passed judgement. Who knows the context, atmosphere, etc. of that conversation.

Also, I'm confused now with your (1). Weren't you just railing on the guy for not seeing Morris was going to have a break out year, yet now saying that our guys also didn't see it coming?

Not that it matters, since we're reading second-hand "sourced" info, rather than actually being there.

As the highest paid GM in college football, he certainly needs to take some shit for missing on Morris and ending up with freaking Gio Lopez (with a detour for Ryan Browne). And I am certainly railing on him for that.

I tried to clarify that wasn't my only (or even main) critique of the guy.

 

[gregh1]

As the highest paid GM in college football, he certainly needs to take some shit for missing on Morris and ending up with freaking Gio Lopez (with a detour for Ryan Browne). And I am certainly railing on him for that.

I tried to clarify that wasn't my only (or even main) critique of the guy.

BB/Lombo fudged the winter portal, but it bears repeating that prior relationships and tampering are very important.
Mateer
Chandler Morris
Steve Angelli
Aguillar
And a bunch of other QBs (and millions of non QBs like Thad Dixon, Andrew Simpson, Khmori House) were fetched through direct (usually personal) relationships, not via agent cold-calling.

 

[Zoo_View]

It really is such a tough pill to swallow that a Dook grad is one of the driving forces behind this whole thing lol.

We need a UNC grad to infiltrate Dook’s administration to get some payback. Hire Bill Parcells and give him a 10 year/$100M contract. Get rid of Scheyer and install Greg Popovich as head coach with Isiah Thomas as GM to destroy their 1 and done basketball pipeline.

I expect any Tar Heel named to a prominent position at d00k would follow the lead of fellow Carolina alums Terry Sanford (A.B., J.D.) and Joel Fleischmann (A.B., M.A., J.D.) and excel.

 

[stankeylegjones]

As the highest paid GM in college football, he certainly needs to take some shit for missing on Morris and ending up with freaking Gio Lopez (with a detour for Ryan Browne). And I am certainly railing on him for that.

I tried to clarify that wasn't my only (or even main) critique of the guy.

Once again, you can rail on him for missing on Morris. I think there are fair more justifiable areas than this one. Even the greatest miss out on talent - see my question to you about Roy, Wright, and KD.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Shocked to see IU at #2.

 

[akillesheel]

Once again, you can rail on him for missing on Morris. I think there are fair more justifiable areas than this one. Even the greatest miss out on talent - see my question to you about Roy, Wright, and KD.

by moving the goalposts from "it didn't happen" to "it maybe happened but isn't a big deal," you're engaging in bad faith.