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Get back to me after they do doc on sex scandal at NC State. Keep slurping their shit up and sharing their stories.
Dude...you cant have it all ways all the time. Belichick wanted a fucking HULU series and to be on Hard Knocks. Everyone who supported this hire bathed in all the attention when it was preseason hoopla. You weren't bemoaning it then. Can't run away from it now. They are doing their job at least to a minimal level by not ignoring the $50million shitshow unfolding in Chapel Hill.
 
Dude...you cant have it all ways all the time. Belichick wanted a fucking HULU series and to be on Hard Knocks. Everyone who supported this hire bathed in all the attention when it was preseason hoopla. You weren't bemoaning it then. Can't run away from it now. They are doing their job at least to a minimal level by not ignoring the $50million shitshow unfolding in Chapel Hill.
Two things can be possible. BB was a mistake and Raleigh media wants a scalp. This is simple question. Why has months after a lawsuit alleging years of sexual assault by male trainer against male athletes at NC state in what was characterized as an open secret is Nando and WRAL continuing to basically ignore a story? What is worse? UNC losing football games or these allegations? The day gop released gerrymandered maps WRAL had one reporter on that and 4 or 5 knocking on doors of trustees asking about BB. All I have said is don't trust Raleigh media because they are on a mission. And they are.
 
Two things can be possible. BB was a mistake and Raleigh media wants a scalp. This is simple question. Why has months after a lawsuit alleging years of sexual assault by male trainer against male athletes at NC state in what was characterized as an open secret is Nando and WRAL continuing to basically ignore a story? What is worse? UNC losing football games or these allegations? The day gop released gerrymandered maps WRAL had one reporter on that and 4 or 5 knocking on doors of trustees asking about BB. All I have said is don't trust Raleigh media because they are on a mission. And they are.
What mission? To get BB fired? To get Pryor and Roberts replaced? Hell, at this point all of that would be doing us a favor from my perspective. The entire thing is a fiasco. And I agree two things could be true. The Raleigh media could be insufferable cocksuckers and they could be correct about Belichick and those who hired him.
 
What mission? To get BB fired? To get Pryor and Roberts replaced? Hell, at this point all of that would be doing us a favor from my perspective. The entire thing is a fiasco. And I agree two things could be true. The Raleigh media could be insufferable cocksuckers and they could be correct about Belichick and those who hired him.
I guess you are not interested in answering a question. I know a ton of UNC fans. Very few don't want this to play out. I will say again. This is about UNC not BB. Get even time. Do you think Raleigh media should be hounding NC state?
 
What mission? To get BB fired? To get Pryor and Roberts replaced? Hell, at this point all of that would be doing us a favor from my perspective. The entire thing is a fiasco. And I agree two things could be true. The Raleigh media could be insufferable cocksuckers and they could be correct about Belichick and those who hired him.
He cannot separate the two issues. He's convinced he's winning a debate that no one else is even having with him. You'll end up back at square one.
 
I guess you are not interested in answering a question. I know a ton of UNC fans. Very few don't want this to play out. I will say again. This is about UNC not BB. Get even time. Do you think Raleigh media should be hounding NC state?
Of course I think they should be burying NC State and Debbie Yow in particular. I said that when the articles first came out. However, I care far more about UNC than I do NC State. I care more that we have competent leadership than I do that the cesspool at the fairgrounds gets theirs.
 
Of course I think they should be burying NC State and Debbie Yow in particular. I said that when the articles first came out. However, I care far more about UNC than I do NC State. I care more that we have competent leadership than I do that the cesspool at the fairgrounds gets theirs.
Cool. So that is a step. I have said all along don't trust media that is agenda driven. I don't. And while I have been very concerned about lots of what I have heard, I continue to sort out what to believe. I saw a team supposedly in turmoil fight like hell Friday. BB supposedly checked out has two Florida pledges and one PSU in campus this weekend. BB will get next year. We will see. But fuck WRAL and Nando.
 
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Get back to me after they do doc on sex scandal at NC State. Keep slurping their shit up and sharing their stories.
i don’t read wral or watch it. I don’t think it’s a shock they would do something like this for the reasons WMheel said. I don’t give a shit about nc state
 
Cool. So that is a step. I have said all along don't trust media that is agenda driven. I don't. And while I have not been very concerned about lots of what I have heard, I continue to sort out what to believe. I saw a team supposedly in turmoil fight like hell Friday. BB supposedly checked out has two Florida pledges and one PSU in campus this weekend. BB will get next year. We will see. But fuck WRAL and Nando.
And if BB gets next year, I have little doubt it will be as much of a train wreck as this year.
 
And if BB gets next year, I have little doubt it will be as much of a train wreck as this year.
I think that unless he and the staff are willing to greatly renegotiate their buyout amounts, it's probably best to give him another year.

With the number of high-level CFB teams who have either already fired their HCs or are very likely to do so, we are probably better off waiting a year to jump back into the hiring pool. It's likely to get ugly out there quick for some teams who would otherwise typically be good locations for new coaching hires.

IMHO, it's a really frustrating part of the Belichick hiring process that we squandered being the best job on the market last year.
 
I think that unless he and the staff are willing to greatly renegotiate their buyout amounts, it's probably best to give him another year.

With the number of high-level CFB teams who have either already fired their HCs or are very likely to do so, we are probably better off waiting a year to jump back into the hiring pool. It's likely to get ugly out there quick for some teams who would otherwise typically be good locations for new coaching hires.

IMHO, it's a really frustrating part of the Belichick hiring process that we squandered being the best job on the market last year.
I agree. But I also think next season is going to be a disaster and leave us in a bigger hole.
 
I agree. But I also think next season is going to be a disaster and leave us in a bigger hole.
Serious question. Do people think BB has forgot how to coach? I am more and more believing his son is a good DC. Special teams has been solid, the offense not good, but while some of that is perhaps the offense, clearly we have oLine, QB and perhaps OC issues. Recruiting is solid, and the class has not fallen apart (yet). And while recruiting hovers in the historical mean 10 months ago when we had no 4 stars and a small class ranked 70ish I think most would have been thrilled with this class in quantity and quality. The game last week suggests some improvement but more importantly the team is fighting to get better.
Meanwhile as I said they would, Raleigh media is trying to destroy the program, planning a documentary that will be flush with unnamed sources, unlikely to generate much from UNC to balance, and we will paint a negative picture. I use the NC state analogy not because I care about NC state, but to underline the bias. You can hate the hiring but I don't understand why there is not anger at WRAL for what clearly is a vendetta. The best thing that can happen is for unc to continue to stockpile players, get better on field, and hope that BB leaves us solid in 3 or 4 years.
 
You cant forget what you never knew. Coaching in the NFL is nothing like coaching in college, even in the NIL era. Belichick knows nothing about the personal relationship building that is college coaching. That is why I was opposed to the hire in the first place. He's also old enough to have someone take his car keys away, not to be taking on a rebuilding job.

Serious question. Do people think BB has forgot how to coach? I am more and more believing his son is a good DC. Special teams has been solid, the offense not good, but while some of that is perhaps the offense, clearly we have oLine, QB and perhaps OC issues. Recruiting is solid, and the class has not fallen apart (yet). And while recruiting hovers in the historical mean 10 months ago when we had no 4 stars and a small class ranked 70ish I think most would have been thrilled with this class in quantity and quality. The game last week suggests some improvement but more importantly the team is fighting to get better.
Meanwhile as I said they would, Raleigh media is trying to destroy the program, planning a documentary that will be flush with unnamed sources, unlikely to generate much from UNC to balance, and we will paint a negative picture. I use the NC state analogy not because I care about NC state, but to underline the bias. You can hate the hiring but I don't understand why there is not anger at WRAL for what clearly is a vendetta. The best thing that can happen is for unc to continue to stockpile players, get better on field, and hope that BB leaves us solid in 3 or 4 years.
 
I think you misunderstood my post due to horrible writing on my part.

One thought, the 2022 team was loaded with players, some very good college players (Downs, Howell, Rucker obviously), but some so-so like Duck, Kyler McMichael, etc, but on the scoreboard the team underperformed relative to how many guys went on to be pros.

Different thought - there are tons of guys with stints in the pros who weren't that impactful. Like guys who weren't even honorable mention. And moreso their position groups were mediocre. Amari Gainer, Ritzie are guys more recent than Dalton or RJ Prince. And some was prob due to injury, I'm thinking of Ray Vohasek getting into the pros but being banged up his final yr.

Side note, tangent! - marcus Mckethan was a sr along with Ezeudu when Asim was a junior. How did that team give up so many sacks? We were in bottom 100 I think that yr.

I'm probably muddying the waters even more, but it feels like some soft culture might've prevented many of our guys from being more studly in college.
guys like McMichael, Ritzie, Dalton, and to a lesser extent Gainer (though he was injured most of his year at UNC) got their cup of coffee in the NFL due to athletic traits, not necessarily because they were good football players. McMichael has spent time with three different teams the past three years and hasn't played a snap for any of them. the back ends and practice squads of NFL teams are full of that kind of player, with coaches thinking there's maybe a chance they can harness those athletic traits in a way that hasn't happened yet - there are only so many good players available, after all. it's not at all unique to UNC, but we've probably had more of that kind of guy recently because of Mack's great recruiting classes that didn't pan out due to him being a bad coach.

i saw somebody once say that there are three kinds of hidden gems in the NFL draft: injured players, small-school/HBCU players, and great athletes who weren't very good players. when you get to day 3 and the hit rate gets that low, those are the archetypes that give you a slightly better chance of getting a player who will stick on the roster.

the only surprises to me on your list are Storm Duck being a multi-year NFL starter (for a dysfunctional organization, sure) and Prince spending actual time with the Ravens, which really does defy explanation.

as for mckethan, ezeudu, and asim -- asim was an awful, awful player as a junior. unc got an actual OL coach instead of stacy searels for his senior year and he revolutionized his play basically overnight. and mckethan was only okay, he's another who was drafted for traits. and honestly, an OL is only as good as its weakest link, and the guys we didn't name on that line were pretty bad.
 

guys like McMichael, Ritzie, Dalton, and to a lesser extent Gainer (though he was injured most of his year at UNC) got their cup of coffee in the NFL due to athletic traits, not necessarily because they were good football players. McMichael has spent time with three different teams the past three years and hasn't played a snap for any of them. the back ends and practice squads of NFL teams are full of that kind of player, with coaches thinking there's maybe a chance they can harness those athletic traits in a way that hasn't happened yet - there are only so many good players available, after all. it's not at all unique to UNC, but we've probably had more of that kind of guy recently because of Mack's great recruiting classes that didn't pan out due to him being a bad coach.
It wasn't just Mack, Fed too.
And I really liked Fed as an offensive coach and talent evaluator. Defensive development, acquisition and retention were just bad, bad.
i saw somebody once say that there are three kinds of hidden gems in the NFL draft: injured players, small-school/HBCU players, and great athletes who weren't very good players. when you get to day 3 and the hit rate gets that low, those are the archetypes that give you a slightly better chance of getting a player who will stick on the roster.

the only surprises to me on your list are Storm Duck being a multi-year NFL starter (for a dysfunctional organization, sure) and Prince spending actual time with the Ravens, which really does defy explanation.

as for mckethan, ezeudu, and asim -- asim was an awful, awful player as a junior. unc got an actual OL coach instead of stacy searels for his senior year and he revolutionized his play basically overnight. and mckethan was only okay, he's another who was drafted for traits. and honestly, an OL is only as good as its weakest link, and the guys we didn't name on that line were pretty bad.
And the "bad coach" and "athletic traits" stuff just folds back into my desire for a "do more with less" coach who can make these raw athletes a little more helpful on the field. I think culture of toughness and discipline probably go a long way toward making that happen.
 
I think that unless he and the staff are willing to greatly renegotiate their buyout amounts, it's probably best to give him another year.

With the number of high-level CFB teams who have either already fired their HCs or are very likely to do so, we are probably better off waiting a year to jump back into the hiring pool. It's likely to get ugly out there quick for some teams who would otherwise typically be good locations for new coaching hires.

IMHO, it's a really frustrating part of the Belichick hiring process that we squandered being the best job on the market last year.
I struggle with this. You are right that it would be much more difficult to hire a coach this offseason compared to other years with all of the openings at other programs.

I also fundamentally believe that as soon as you realize that your coach isn’t the right fit anymore, you pull the plug. Letting it fester for an extra season or two usually just digs the hole deeper and makes it that much harder for the next guy.

I do still think we are an attractive job at the end of the day. Not on the level of Florida or Penn State or potentially some of these other gigs that might open up due to other firings/coaches taking other jobs, but if we actually get our ducks in a row and do a thorough search (yes I realize that’s a big if considering how poorly we usually handle this stuff) I think we could position ourselves well against other programs that we’d be finishing in the same pond as.

Honestly though that’s all moot. The people that made the hire are too arrogant to admit that it’s a disaster, so they’ll dig their heels in and make us suffer through another miserable season after this one anyway. It’s unforgivable that we had a once in a generation chance to make a hire while being the best job on the market and hired fricking 73 year old washed up Belichick instead of the best available college coach lol.
 
guys like McMichael, Ritzie, Dalton, and to a lesser extent Gainer (though he was injured most of his year at UNC) got their cup of coffee in the NFL due to athletic traits, not necessarily because they were good football players. McMichael has spent time with three different teams the past three years and hasn't played a snap for any of them. the back ends and practice squads of NFL teams are full of that kind of player, with coaches thinking there's maybe a chance they can harness those athletic traits in a way that hasn't happened yet - there are only so many good players available, after all. it's not at all unique to UNC, but we've probably had more of that kind of guy recently because of Mack's great recruiting classes that didn't pan out due to him being a bad coach.

i saw somebody once say that there are three kinds of hidden gems in the NFL draft: injured players, small-school/HBCU players, and great athletes who weren't very good players. when you get to day 3 and the hit rate gets that low, those are the archetypes that give you a slightly better chance of getting a player who will stick on the roster.

the only surprises to me on your list are Storm Duck being a multi-year NFL starter (for a dysfunctional organization, sure) and Prince spending actual time with the Ravens, which really does defy explanation.

as for mckethan, ezeudu, and asim -- asim was an awful, awful player as a junior. unc got an actual OL coach instead of stacy searels for his senior year and he revolutionized his play basically overnight. and mckethan was only okay, he's another who was drafted for traits. and honestly, an OL is only as good as its weakest link, and the guys we didn't name on that line were pretty bad.
Sam Howell not a neutral party in sacks allowed as evidence by his pro career
 
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