UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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I can't wait for the BB era to be over but I think we're likely stuck with him at least through next season. This is a very different experience for me because I've never felt completely unattached to a coach right from the beginning of a new hire. I've always felt connected to both the team and new hire and routed for the success of it all. But Belichick has left a sour taste in my mouth right from the beginning. So while I route hard for the team in every game and show up to every home game, I don't feel myself routing for Belichick personally. But I do hope he ends up doing better than I think he will as long as he's here.
 
I never get the mindset of thinking UNC can't be a powerhouse in football and a consistent top 25 team just because they haven't been. UNC has the name recognition and the facilities to be a consistent top 25 team. It comes down to money and making the right choices for coaches.
Not only do they think we can’t be that type of program, they are also the quickest to be a wet blanket and actively rail against people who want the program to be good lol. It’s baffling to me.

Back to the original point, what I’m presenting as a reasonable expectation for the rest of this season is still so far below any of that stuff and we still have people pushing back that it’s asking too much.
 
I am like many others here who are seemingly evaluating this coaching staff with a simple tautology -- its unsuccessful until it delivers success.

And maintaining a healthy skepticism has nothing to do with how much we love our school, how much we want them to succeed or a declaration that we know more about football than a coach. Its simply holding the people in charge accountable. Anything less than about 8 wins against this Charmin schedule while paying the amount we have for staff and players would be an unsuccessful season. Full stop. Anything less than about 9 wins next season would be unsuccessful. We are paying top dollar for this staff to win soon which is patently obvious since we hired a guy in his 70s. If we were willing to give a new coach 3 seasons before we were competitive at the top of the ACC we should have hired someone capable of being here for the next 10 years. We didn't do that. We went with a get rich quick option. Anyone trying to change the narrative into a patient 5 year rebuild is unserious.
 
I am like many others here who are seemingly evaluating this coaching staff with a simple tautology -- its unsuccessful until it delivers success.

And maintaining a healthy skepticism has nothing to do with how much we love our school, how much we want them to succeed or a declaration that we know more about football than a coach. Its simply holding the people in charge accountable. Anything less than about 8 wins against this Charmin schedule while paying the amount we have for staff and players would be an unsuccessful season. Full stop. Anything less than about 9 wins next season would be unsuccessful. We are paying top dollar for this staff to win soon which is patently obvious since we hired a guy in his 70s. If we were willing to give a new coach 3 seasons before we were competitive at the top of the ACC we should have hired someone capable of being here for the next 10 years. We didn't do that. We went with a get rich quick option. Anyone trying to change the narrative into a patient 5 year rebuild is unserious.
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It’s not that complicated. Stanford and Wake are not very good teams, and if we are actually improving then we should win both of those games outright. If we’re even in a position to lose either one of those games at the end because of bad luck at the goal line or whatever then we already failed the eye test anyway.

Duke and State are both noticeably better than we are this season, no doubt. Neither of them are world beaters either though. If Belichick actually worth all of the hype and investment then it really shouldn’t be asking too much to find a way to steal at least one of those games.

6-6 against this schedule is bare minimum stuff.
As of today, we’d be a bigger underdog @Wake than home against State.
 
I am like many others here who are seemingly evaluating this coaching staff with a simple tautology -- its unsuccessful until it delivers success.

And maintaining a healthy skepticism has nothing to do with how much we love our school, how much we want them to succeed or a declaration that we know more about football than a coach. Its simply holding the people in charge accountable. Anything less than about 8 wins against this Charmin schedule while paying the amount we have for staff and players would be an unsuccessful season. Full stop. Anything less than about 9 wins next season would be unsuccessful. We are paying top dollar for this staff to win soon which is patently obvious since we hired a guy in his 70s. If we were willing to give a new coach 3 seasons before we were competitive at the top of the ACC we should have hired someone capable of being here for the next 10 years. We didn't do that. We went with a get rich quick option. Anyone trying to change the narrative into a patient 5 year rebuild is unserious.
great post. some fans are always looking for excuse after excuse its just what they do.
 
I am like many others here who are seemingly evaluating this coaching staff with a simple tautology -- its unsuccessful until it delivers success.

And maintaining a healthy skepticism has nothing to do with how much we love our school, how much we want them to succeed or a declaration that we know more about football than a coach. Its simply holding the people in charge accountable. Anything less than about 8 wins against this Charmin schedule while paying the amount we have for staff and players would be an unsuccessful season. Full stop. Anything less than about 9 wins next season would be unsuccessful. We are paying top dollar for this staff to win soon which is patently obvious since we hired a guy in his 70s. If we were willing to give a new coach 3 seasons before we were competitive at the top of the ACC we should have hired someone capable of being here for the next 10 years. We didn't do that. We went with a get rich quick option. Anyone trying to change the narrative into a patient 5 year rebuild is unserious.
This is well said. I would have been perfectly fine buying into a longer rebuild if we had hired a younger coach. There’s no way you give a guy Belichick’s age that type of money and not expect him to be ready to win 9+ games by season 2 though. If the results are less than that, the new coach recruiting bump is going to evaporate pretty quickly and the whole thing is going to lose steam. We literally just saw that play out with Mack.

I would be willing to bet that if you gave truth serum to the people that made the hire, they would say the same thing.
 
This is well said. I would have been perfectly fine buying into a longer rebuild if we had hired a younger coach. There’s no way you give a guy Belichick’s age that type of money and not expect him to be ready to win 9+ games by season 2 though. If the results are less than that, the new coach recruiting bump is going to evaporate pretty quickly and the whole thing is going to lose steam. We literally just saw that play out with Mack.

I would be willing to bet that if you gave truth serum to the people that made the hire, they would say the same thing.
Completely agree. And this really gets at what has irritated me so much about this whole thing from the get-go last December.

When we hired Mack Brown, we hired a coach who was way past his prime, had been fired from his most recent job in which he won a national championship and played for another, had not been coaching in many years, had exactly 0 other suitors interested in hiring him to coach, and was hired essentially because our biggest donors dictated to the athletics director. When we made the hire, the conventional wisdom being thrown around was that we were hiring this guy to come in and stabilize the program, rebuild the infrastructure, repair relationships, and then pass it off to the next younger coach in three years or so. We all know how that turned out: Mack never had any intention of passing it off after three years, and in doing so, completely squandered any of the goodwill, good relationships, and good recruiting that he was supposed to have brought to the program.

So what do we do after we fire him? We do the same exact damn thing! Except this time, we let the politicians get involved and we let the board of trustees go rogue and we allow our search to become an entire national laughing stock shitshow and we completely alienate our AD’s top two candidates and we completely squander our opportunity as quite literally the single best open job on the market, in order to hire and pay ungodly money to… you guessed it…a coach who was way past his prime, had been fired from his most recent job at which he won six championships, was not currently coaching, had exactly 0 other suitors interested in hiring him to coach.

My frustration stems from the fact that the powers that be in charge at UNC, and a not insignificant portion of our donors and fans, apparently have so little imagination or understanding of how to conduct a coaching search and make a coaching hire. When someone as accomplished as Mack Brown or Bill Belichick is available, and quite literally nobody else is making an attempt to hire them, and they are in their late 60s or early 70s and years past the prime of their careers, it should give you pretty strong pause to stop and think, you know what, maybe there is a reason why nobody else has tried this! But UNC is always, always, always much more interested in the style over substance and winning the headlines instead of winning on the field. So here we are, stuck in yet another coaching experiment that is failing and will most likely continue to fail in the long run.

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse at this point and I know my viewpoint is probably getting tiresome and irritating to folks, and for that I do apologize. But I'm just coming at this as a passionate but frustrated UNC football fan who truly believes our program has immense potential but who believes that there are institutional players who can never get out of their own way to allow the program to flourish.
 
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Completely agree. And this really gets at what has irritated me so much about this whole thing from the get-go last December.

When we hired Mack Brown, we hired a coach who was way past his prime, had been fired from his most recent job in which he won a national championship and played for another, had not been coaching in many years, had exactly 0 other suitors interested in hiring him to coach, and was hired essentially because our biggest donors dictated to the athletics director. When we made the hire, the conventional wisdom being thrown around was that we were hiring this guy to come in and stabilize the program, rebuild the infrastructure, repair relationships, and then pass it off to the next younger coach in three years or so. We all know how that turned out: Mack never had any intention of passing it off after three years, and in doing so, completely squandered any of the goodwill, good relationships, and good recruiting that he was supposed to have brought to the program.

So what do we do after we fire him? We do the same exact damn thing! Except this time, we let the politicians get involved and we let the board of trustees go rogue and we allow our search to become an entire national laughing stock shitshow and we completely alienate our AD’s top two candidates and we completely squander our opportunity as quite literally the single best open job on the market, in order to hire and pay ungodly money to… you guessed it…a coach who was way past his prime, had been fired from his most recent job at which he won six championships, was not currently coaching, had exactly 0 other suitors interested in hiring him to coach.

My frustration stems from the fact that the powers that be in charge at UNC, and a not insignificant portion of our donors and fans, apparently have so little imagination or understanding of how to conduct a coaching search and make a coaching hire. When someone as accomplished as Mack Brown or Bill Belichick is available, and quite literally nobody else is making an attempt to hire them, and they are in their late 60s or early 70s and years past the prime of their careers, it should give you pretty strong pause to stop and think, you know what, maybe there is a reason why nobody else has tried this! But UNC is always, always, always much more interested in the style over substance and winning the headlines instead of winning on the field. So here we are, stuck in yet another coaching experiment that is failing and will most likely continue to fail in the long run.

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse at this point and I know my viewpoint is probably getting tiresome and irritating to folks, and for that I do apologize. But I'm just coming at this as a passionate but frustrated UNC football fan who truly believes our program has immense potential but who believes that there are institutional players who can never get out of their own way to allow the program to flourish.
I get your frustrations. The only comfort I can offer is that it seems like this football season has brought out your basketball fandom!
 
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