UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[gregh1]

Why do we care about our head coach's significant other making herself the center of media attention that is bringing even more negative publicity to an experiment that is already teetering on the brink of disaster, and is yet another glaring indicator that the guy whom we hired for $10M to be the same no-nonsense, no distractions, all football always is actually not that same guy anymore? Golly gee, I just can't quite figure out how the two things must be correlated! There can't possibly be any overlap between the awful management of the football program that we've seen both on and off the field to date, and the fact that our "no-nonsense, no distractions" head coach seems to have....an awful big distraction in his personal life.

Is Jordon missing tackles or dropping passes or causing our quarterback to get sacked or throw interceptions? Is she causing us to punt on 4th and 1 at the 39 yard line or misuse our timeouts? Is she causing our players to make repeated boneheaded personal fouls at inopportune times? Is she causing us to get *multiple* substitution defensive substitution penalties on the same drive? Is she causing us to not know to expect Duke to try a fake field goal because their kicker is garbage? No, of course none of that is her fault. But they are all glaring indicators that her boyfriend- the head coach- may not be quite as sharp anymore or have his "head in the game" in the way that was expected of him when we hired him in the first place.

I know you and 79 know all of this, though. I understand y'all want to defend our coach. I don't find any fault in that at all. I even respect and admire it, even if I disagree with it on the merits. But y'all can't keep pretending that stuff like this occurs in a complete vacuum and has zero affect whatsoever on the program. That's either naive or disingenuous.

Why did Gio suddenly look well-coached. Was Jordon skipping the qb meetings last week?
Why does the DL look pretty good despite being young and having little depth on the edges. Is her evil magic only focused on Freddie or the OL?
Why were we WAY better regarding penalties than Mack or Fed for most of the year? Did she only recently return to KFC?

Some would argue that BB landing a 24 yr old, confident ex-cheerleader would show he's very sharp compared to the avg single old fart.
Until i see evidence this has any effect on the coaching or i'm going to believe it has ZERO effect on the coaching.

She's a distraction to TMZ and pagesix readers who would prefer articles about Housewives of New Jersey or Taylor Swift's boyfriend, sure, but that's for a different thread.

 

[gregh1]

Honest question...have you had many/any productive long term personal relationships?

It isnt about "shut up woman". It is about mutual respect. If Jordon had any ounce of respect for Bill, she would shut up and go away feom the media on her own. She doesn't. Apparently Bill lacks rhe self respect to take action himself. Like it or not, his spouse is a distraction and he needs to take steps to rectify that.

Unless BB doesn't give a fvck.... which in this case we all know BB typically doesn't give a fvck.

 

[gregh1]

It’s not that complicated. Whether you think it’s tabloid trash or not this whole saga with the girlfriend is actually something that is making waves in the media, and it’s interesting that the guy who is famous for keeping everything buttoned up and out of the spotlight is letting it happen.

What media? I wouldn't have known about any of this unless i'd seen it on this thread.

 

[heel79]

Why did Gio suddenly look well-coached. Was Jordon skipping the qb meetings last week?
Why does the DL look pretty good despite being young and having little depth on the edges. Is her evil magic only focused on Freddie or the OL?
Why were we WAY better regarding penalties than Mack or Fed for most of the year? Did she only recently return to KFC?

Some would argue that BB landing a 24 yr old, confident ex-cheerleader would show he's very sharp compared to the avg single old fart.
Until i see evidence this has any effect on the coaching or i'm going to believe it has ZERO effect on the coaching.

She's a distraction to TMZ and pagesix readers who would prefer articles about Housewives of New Jersey or Taylor Swift's boyfriend, sure, but that's for a different thread.

You know lots of talk about BBs assistants early on. I like Steve and DL coach. I think Steve is good DC. Beginning to warm up to lombos son as QB coach now could be gio has gotten better cause he got healthy but he has definitely bitten better. Except for wake debacle ST coach I think has done a good job.

 

[gregh1]

Who is Steven Godfrey?

Enquiring minds want to know!

 

[gregh1]

You know lots of talk about BBs assistants early on. I like Steve and DL coach. I think Steve is good DC. Beginning to warm up to lombos son as QB coach now could be gio has gotten better cause he got healthy but he has definitely bitten better. Except for wake debacle ST coach I think has done a good job.

Like i said the other day, i soured on the BB experiment after Wake + Dook. Fingers-crossed, but i'm less hopeful.

 

[CFordUNC]

Why did Gio suddenly look well-coached. Was Jordon skipping the qb meetings last week?
Why does the DL look pretty good despite being young and having little depth on the edges. Is her evil magic only focused on Freddie or the OL?
Why were we WAY better regarding penalties than Mack or Fed for most of the year? Did she only recently return to KFC?

Some would argue that BB landing a 24 yr old, confident ex-cheerleader would show he's very sharp compared to the avg single old fart.
Until i see evidence this has any effect on the coaching or i'm going to believe it has ZERO effect on the coaching.

She's a distraction to TMZ and pagesix readers who would prefer articles about Housewives of New Jersey or Taylor Swift's boyfriend, sure, but that's for a different thread.

At least three different people, myself included, have explained to you why it is concerning that our head coach allows his significant other to be such an attention whore. All three of us have explained that, no, of course she is not directly impacting plays on the field but that, yes, her continued ability to make herself a lightning rod for negative publicity is a flashing red light warning that our current head coach, who was renowned for never ever ever letting anything off the field bring negative publicity or potential distraction to players and coaches on the field, is suddenly not living by those virtues that made him such a successful NFL coach, presumably because he is pussy whipped by someone young enough to be his granddaughter. Do you truly not understand why that would be concerning, especially in light of how we are currently enduring a terrible season?

 

[CFordUNC]

You know lots of talk about BBs assistants early on. I like Steve and DL coach. I think Steve is good DC. Beginning to warm up to lombos son as QB coach now could be gio has gotten better cause he got healthy but he has definitely bitten better. Except for wake debacle ST coach I think has done a good job.

For the sake of discussion, because I genuinely enjoy other people‘s thoughts and perspectives on Football, and not being purposefully argumentative, what have you seen out of our defense that makes you think that anyone on that side of the ball is a good coach? We are currently ranked 91st in defensive FEP, significantly worse than last year and worse than even some of the crappiest defense as we fielded under Larry Fedora. Those defensive metrics are ghastly.

As far as quarterback play, it's hard for me to say that there has been significant improvement. Lopez looked better against Duke than he has all season, that's true, but Duke's defensive secondary is a trainwreck and it was clear that their gameplan was to load the box to not allow us to beat them on the ground and leave their defensive backs in man-on coverage situations. Just the week before last, we didn't score a touchdown for the first time in almost a decade. To be clear, I give Lopez tons of credit for playing decently well against Duke, and especially for hanging in there and absorbing some of those wicked hits he was taking. He was a gamer, absolutely no question about it.

 

[CFordUNC]

Enquiring minds want to know!

A quick Google search of Steven Godfrey would reveal exactly who he is, someone who is a well regarded investigative college football writer and podcast host, and someone who has historically been well sourced in his writing about college football.

 

[gregh1]

lol. All right I guess I’m going to have to assume you are just going to be disingenuous and that it’s not out of naivety. At least three different people, myself included, have explained to you why it is concerning that our head coach allows his significant other to be such an attention whore. All three of us have explained that, no, of course she is not directly impacting plays on the field but that, yes, her continued ability to make herself a lightning rod for negative publicity is a flashing red light warning that our current head coach, who was renowned for never ever ever letting anything off the field bring negative publicity or potential distraction to players and coaches on the field, is suddenly not living by those virtues that made him such a successful NFL coach, presumably because he is pussy whipped by someone young enough to be his granddaughter. I know that you understand that, so I’m not explaining it anymore.

What are his exact quotes regarding off the field publicity?

"ignore the noise" is about ignoring external noise. We're humans, there is always external noise, whether it is Pablo or a sick relative, or a whiny child - even Giselle can be noise.

"Don't be a distraction" was about making sure distractions didn't impact the team and coaches. Again, we're human, life is full of distraction. So if the players don't care what skirt she wears or how she scowls at 60-minutes then it isn't a problem for them.

I don't recall him saying "please don't have your name in the public". Hell, he publicly talked about the letter he wrote to Trump in 2016 and that 100% invited negative, personal, public attention. Was he brain-rotten then?

Your entire premise is that the team and coaches are distracted and the "the old BB" would view this as a team distraction. My premise is that BB doesn't care what people think as long as the players and coaches aren't distracted and that he doesn't view it as a team distraction.

 

[heel79]

A quick Google search of Steven Godfrey would reveal exactly who he is, someone who is a well regarded investigative college football writer and podcast host, and someone who has historically been well sourced in his writing about college football.

On defense giving up 11 fewer pts a game than last year.. we have been very disruptive at times. I see that getting better. I think gio has gotten better throughout season. As I said not sure if that is health, coaching, weaker schedule or what. Maybe all 3.

 

[gregh1]

SP+ has us 57th on D fwiw

 

[CFordUNC]

What are his exact quotes regarding off the field publicity?

"ignore the noise" is about ignoring external noise. We're humans, there is always external noise, whether it is Pablo or a sick relative, or a whiny child - even Giselle can be noise.

"Don't be a distraction" was about making sure distractions didn't impact the team and coaches. Again, we're human, life is full of distraction. So if the players don't care what skirt she wears or how she scowls at 60-minutes then it isn't a problem for them.

I don't recall him saying "please don't have your name in the public". Hell, he publicly talked about the letter he wrote to Trump in 2016 and that 100% invited negative, personal, public attention. Was he brain-rotten then?

Your entire premise is that the team and coaches are distracted and the "the old BB" would view this as a team distraction. My premise is that BB doesn't care what people think as long as the players and coaches aren't distracted and that he doesn't view it as a team distraction.

Have you read his book? There is quite literally an entire chapter in his book on this very topic. He discusses "The Drawer Concept" of encouraging players and staff to file away all non-football, non-emergent life matters so as to not detrimentally impact the organization. He discusses the "Ignore the Noise" sign from the Patriots football facility that addresses external pressures and media speculation that can derail focus from daily preparation. He discusses his "do your job" mantra that emphasizes personal responsibility and focusing purely on one's specific role within the team structure, which inherently minimizes the opportunity for individual distractions to affect the collective goal.

In other words, it's just as I've been telling you repeatedly now: the NFL's king of "no nonsense, no distractions, no non-football matters, don't feed the media machine, don't let external factors influence internal team matters" is suddenly allowing all of the above to happen because of his personal life.

My premise is that we are 4-8 because the coaching staff sucks. My premise is that the coaching staff sucks because the head coach sucks. My premise is that the head coach sucks because he has lost his fastball, lost his sharpness, lost his infamous adherence to "no-nonsense", and lost his renowned ability to manage games. My premise is that the head coach has lost all of those things as a result of two primary issues: 1. natural aging (which is obviously out of his control and no fault of his own) and 2. the fact that he very clearly has a personal life that is seeping into his professional life in a manner in which adversely impacts the organization which he runs and his employer. Your premise is that you don't believe any of this sideshow nonsense has any adverse impact on the team because it doesn't score points or gain yardage. My premise is that all of this sideshow nonsense is a direct symptom of what ails Bill Belichick overall.

I spent four years in the Kenan Football Center. I can absolutely, positively, unequivocally tell you from personal, firsthand experience: overall team performance is directly impacted when the head coach is clearly not all-in. I was on a team that started 5-1 and the moment that the interim coach was informed that he was not going to get the job permanently, his "all-in" was no longer such, and we finished 2-5 from that moment forward. It matters.

 

[C-Money]

My premise is that we are 4-8 because the coaching staff sucks. My premise is that the coaching staff sucks because the head coach sucks. My premise is that the head coach sucks because he has lost his fastball, lost his sharpness, lost his infamous adherence to "no-nonsense", and lost his renowned ability to manage games. My premise is that the head coach has lost all of those things as a result of two primary issues: 1. natural aging (which is obviously out of his control and no fault of his own) and 2. the fact that he very clearly has a personal life that is seeping into his professional life in a manner in which adversely impacts the organization which he runs and his employer. Your premise is that you don't believe any of this sideshow nonsense has any adverse impact on the team because it doesn't score points or gain yardage. My premise is that all of this sideshow nonsense is a direct symptom of what ails Bill Belichick overall.

 

[Calheel]

SP+ has us 57th on D fwiw

And that is for the season. There has been defensive improvement (even adjusting for an easier schedule) since Clemson.

Part of coaching is getting better during the season. Roy Williams' efficiency stats were always better in Feb and March than November and December.

In particular, our sacks and pressures have been higher the second half of this year compared to recent memory. That speaks to improved defensive coaching along the line.

 

[sringwal]

Not sure if already posted, but...

Bill Belichick's legacy takes a detour at North Carolina

A season in, the legendary NFL coach's head-scratching decision to helm a lowly ACC team continues to confound.

www.espn.com

 

[CFordUNC]

Not sure if already posted, but...

Bill Belichick's legacy takes a detour at North Carolina

A season in, the legendary NFL coach's head-scratching decision to helm a lowly ACC team continues to confound.

www.espn.com

I actually really enjoyed reading that piece. Thought it was stellar writing. Believe it or not portions of it were actually endearing to me about Belichick (the part about helping the lacrosse program).

 

[gregh1]

Have you read his book? There is quite literally an entire chapter in his book on this very topic. He discusses "The Drawer Concept" of encouraging players and staff to file away all non-football, non-emergent life matters so as to not detrimentally impact the organization.

"File away" means put them somewhere temporarily, not delete them or lock them away forever. You can't lock away or delete domestic problems or public life. He isn't saying eliminate your off the field life, he's saying leave those things behind when you come to your job.

“He’d bring up this drawer four or five times like after Week 14,” former Super Bowl MVP Julian Edelman said. “Like, ‘All right, put it all in the drawer. You gotta go out and do this. We all understand you have bills, taxes. Let’s just put it in the drawer and we’ll worry about that after the season.'”

He isn't saying don't pay taxes or bills, rather don't let them into your mind during your job.

He discusses the "Ignore the Noise" sign from the Patriots football facility that addresses external pressures and media speculation that can derail focus from daily preparation.

Yeah, i mentioned that in my prior post. There is always noise in public life though, even the kind that invites media speculation. Like publicly supporting Trump. Or publicly being a dick to reporters which invites even more media attention.

He discusses his "do your job" mantra that emphasizes personal responsibility and focusing purely on one's specific role within the team structure, which inherently minimizes the opportunity for individual distractions to affect the collective goal.

Again, i mentioned that in the prior post, and this about what happens AT Work (aka in the training room, on the field, in practice, etc). It isn't about doing everything humanly possible to keep Giselle out of the tabloids.

 

[CFordUNC]

"File away" means put them somewhere temporarily, not delete them or lock them away forever. You can't lock away or delete domestic problems or public life. He isn't saying eliminate your off the field life, he's saying leave those things behind when you come to your job.

“He’d bring up this drawer four or five times like after Week 14,” former Super Bowl MVP Julian Edelman said. “Like, ‘All right, put it all in the drawer. You gotta go out and do this. We all understand you have bills, taxes. Let’s just put it in the drawer and we’ll worry about that after the season.'”

He isn't saying don't pay taxes or bills, rather don't let them into your mind during your job.


Yeah, i mentioned that above. There is always noise in public life though, even the kind that invites media speculation. Like publicly supporting Trump. Or publicly being a dick to reporters which invites even more media attention.


Again, this about what happens AT Work (aka in the training room, on the field, in practice, etc). It isn't about doing everything humanly possible to keep Giselle out of the tabloids.

I hear ya. I respect and appreciate the back and forth on this. I figure we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this one and leave it here. I definitely believe that the proliferation of his personal life into this public sphere- something that he quite literally never, ever allowed to happen for a single split second in 20+ years at New England- is a damning indicator that he isn't as sharp or as focused as he once was, and that this lack of sharpness and focus has led directly to a losing season on the field in which we've appeared- extremely uncharacteristically for a Bill Belichick team- out-coached, out-game planned, out-scehemed, out-prepared, out-disciplined, and out-game managed in virtually every single game but perhaps one or two.

But I fully respect and understand that you feel that his personal life isn't nearly as much of a negative factor in our team's performance as I'm making it out to be. I'd much prefer that you're right than me.

 

[wmheel1287]

"File away" means put them somewhere temporarily, not delete them or lock them away forever. You can't lock away or delete domestic problems or public life. He isn't saying eliminate your off the field life, he's saying leave those things behind when you come to your job.

“He’d bring up this drawer four or five times like after Week 14,” former Super Bowl MVP Julian Edelman said. “Like, ‘All right, put it all in the drawer. You gotta go out and do this. We all understand you have bills, taxes. Let’s just put it in the drawer and we’ll worry about that after the season.'”

He isn't saying don't pay taxes or bills, rather don't let them into your mind during your job.


Yeah, i mentioned that in my prior post. There is always noise in public life though, even the kind that invites media speculation. Like publicly supporting Trump. Or publicly being a dick to reporters which invites even more media attention.


Again, i mentioned that in the prior post, and this about what happens AT Work (aka in the training room, on the field, in practice, etc). It isn't about doing everything humanly possible to keep Giselle out of the tabloids.

Zero of what Belichick does with Jordon lines up with your own interpretation of what he says in his book. He literally hangs out with her on the field pregame for extended periods of time when other coaches are engaging with their team and staff.