I can understand fans naturally buying into the hype and wanting to stick by the coach during a rocky start to an extent. Clemson game and everything that happened yesterday was the rubicon. You have to be totally delusional to not see that it’s over now.
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I think that came from Ollie's tweets, no?
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Could definitely be giving an indication of that. It could also be folks still pissed about Mack getting the boot and trying to cause harm to the program. We'll probably never really know.
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Can you link to that article/thread?
I've looked for it and can't find it and would really like to know what IC had reported. Thanks.
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I don't entirely disagree with you. I think I feel differently than you for a couple of reasons:
1) I feel a sense of loyalty to UNC and the football program but that sense of loyalty does not extend to BB for me. So I just don't fee any need to find the right insider poster to counter some negative report.
2) I don't think you get major changes from a 73 year old coach. I'm afraid we're seeing what's to come with him. If it's simply a matter of wins and losses, I think it's going to be bottom of the ACC football for the next two and a half years. I'm not too excited to see how that turns out.
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I can rattle off a whole list of G5 football coaches whom I'd prefer right this very moment over this current shitshow disaster for which we are paying $60M and getting beaten by an average of score of like 43-11 against teams with halfway functioning pulses. UNC does not have to suck at football. UNC, or at least the people in power who call the shots, *chooses* to suck at football. There are young, hungry, up and coming G5 coaches out there whom we could get right this moment for HALF of what we are paying Belichick and Lombardi, and I assure you their teams would kick the shit out of our current one.
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No no, you don’t get it. We are historically a 7-5 program, therefore we aren’t allowed to make serious coaching hires. Best we can do is pay a pro coach that’s 10+ years past his prime a top 10 salary and let every team with a pulse use us as a scrimmage.
Putting those same resources behind a qualified G5 HC or P2 coordinator? You mean the thing that other successful power conference programs do all the time? No way. It would probably be even worse than Mack or Belichick, so not even worth trying. Go back and watch Clemson first quarter highlights from this past weekend and be happy about it.
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Snoop. Not sure if you can open but most of thread is bickering if this is time we'll spent. He apparently saw a top 100 recruit one night. One poster said he spent 3 hours on Nantucket dealing with a property. Cowherd said he was vacationing in Nantucket as evidence I suppose of coaching malpractice. Regardless of what you think of BB we should all condemn this sloppy ass reporting.
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And also from Adam Smith's article late last night that listed sources for the upcoming expected staff changes as "inside and close to the program -- and in agent circles too". That's two reporting outlets mentioning agents as sources for some of this. That's my only point.
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I get your point but wish to redirect it.
The clown show is UNC governance. We’ve all witnessed this long slide into decline and debasement at the hands of corrupt partisans and other interests over many years.
As ever, we get the government (including flagship universities and their various arms) we deserve.
I say this with a broken heart: the clowns are a majority.
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Thanks for the link, I hadn't read it when it came out. (I think the reason I couldn't find it is I couldn't read a calendar well enough and didn't quite go back far enough.
)I agree that there seems to be some sloppy reporting on this, but that's not terribly surprising. Sadly, it's not uncommon for media to not get the "whole story" and/or to not report with any real degree of details and nuance. I agree that we can all want the media to do better in that regard.
I also don't think that media misreporting is at the heart of what went down yesterday. If even half the reporting yesterday was reasonably accurate, let's say the least extreme half, there was a lot of crap that happened yesterday that spells trouble for the program. I'm hopeful that things can improve and even turn around, but I'm also really concerned because once this kind of stuff goes public, it's typically only a matter of time before significant changes are in everyone's best interest.
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I think the issue is whether there are people close/inside the program that are spreading bs and who they're spreading it to (if so).
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While for those of us basketball fans, we're told that we're just too arrogant to assume that mediocre results shouldn't be tolerated.
I don't think that is in question anymore and ut was basically confirmed to me today but someone who should have knowledge.
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Ben did just say a lot of the stuff being put out yesterday on twitter wasn't true. I would think Bubba would not have given his endorsement of Belicheck if he believed what was being put out there.
What went down yesterday was largely based on bad reporting. I agree if half that stuff is true BB needs to go. You worry about info going to public and I do too. That is why when these pundits take bad info and run with it we as UNC fans should be pissed.Thanks for the link, I hadn't read it when it came out. (I think the reason I couldn't find it is I couldn't read a calendar well enough and didn't quite go back far enough.
I agree that there seems to be some sloppy reporting on this, but that's not terribly surprising. Sadly, it's not uncommon for media to not get the "whole story" and/or to not report with any real degree of details and nuance. I agree that we can all want the media to do better in that regard.
I also don't think that media misreporting is at the heart of what went down yesterday. If even half the reporting yesterday was reasonably accurate, let's say the least extreme half, there was a lot of crap that happened yesterday that spells trouble for the program. I'm hopeful that things can improve and even turn around, but I'm also really concerned because once this kind of stuff goes public, it's typically only a matter of time before significant changes are in everyone's best interest.
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I think the relevant question is "How is what is being stated 'untrue'?"
Is it completely untrue and being made up out of whole cloth? Or is it untrue by degrees and simply being exaggerated by sources or those reporting it?
Given the wide variety of accusations and information that came out yesterday and provided to a wide variety of media - UNC-focused, regional news, and national sports - I would be very, very surprised if these accusations/information were being created whole cloth. And I'd be surprised if they were not exaggerated as they were presented by the various media.
The operative question, to which we don't have a good answer at this time, is how much of what was presented yesterday was factual or close to factual?