UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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CFordUNC said:
I don't know this for sure but I think Atkinson is leaving because a bigger, better football school like Georgia or Ohio State opened up the checkbook.

I don't think Belichick's "scrimping" strategy that worked so well with New England will work nearly as well at the collegiate level, and especially not at a place like UNC that is only ever halfway serious about football at best as it pertains to institutional investment. At New England, he could get those diamond-in-the-rough players on the cheap, yes, but then he was also able to sign them to contracts, which meant that he wasn't facing the reality of his entire roster being treated as open season free agency every year. And anyway, those diamond-in-the-rough players were still NFL players with NFL talent. The diamond-in-the-rough players that he is currently amassing at UNC are players for whom we are fighting G5 and service academy-level schools. There may be a few under-the-radar guys that he can develop and mold, but it's almost certainly not going to be enough to actually compete at the highest level of college football.

Like I say, I would love nothing more than to be as wrong as two left feet about this whole thing. I'm just very highly skeptical, and I think it's with good reason. I'd have much rather had Jon Sumrall or Glenn Schumann, and yes, I definitely recognize how crazy that sounds on paper to prefer those two guys to Bill freaking Belichick!
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Add in another factor for the Patriots’ success - some players, most importantly Tom Brady, signed for less money so that the team could sign/keep better players and win…….and by winning they’d make more money in endorsements.

I don’t see many college players giving up $$$ to better the team. Their college careers are SHORT.
 
Zoo_View said:
Add in another factor for the Patriots’ success - some players, most importantly Tom Brady, signed for less money so that the team could sign/keep better players and win…….and by winning they’d make more money in endorsements.

I don’t see many college players giving up $$$ to better the team. Their college careers are SHORT.
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Great points, for sure. I had forgotten that Brady routinely gave up money for the good of the team.
 
CFordUNC said:
Great points, for sure. I had forgotten that Brady routinely gave up money for the good of the team.
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Brady could afford to. Unlike other NFL QBs, Brady’s wife was earning $30-$50+ million per year, a multiple of what NFL QBs were making back then.
 
farce© said:
Brady could afford to. Unlike other NFL QBs, Brady’s wife was earning $30-$50+ million per year, a multiple of what NFL QBs were making back then.
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As Brady said at one point, “If I can’t make it on $60 million dollars, I have problems.”

Pretty certain he made more in endorsement money over his career than NFL salary/bonus…..similar to MJ.

Pretty certain I remember about other Patriot players leaving NFL money on the table in an attempt to win and then making bank in endorsements.

BTW, I hate the Patriots, Celtics, and Red Sox (don’t care a lick about any hockey team even though I love the game). I’ve hated the Celtics since the Lakers were littered with Tar Heels. Only grew to hate the Patriots and Red Sox since moving to Vermont 30+ years ago and the hatred increased after moving to Maine 20+ years ago.

Why did living in New England increase my hatred for Boston teams? They pretend to be loyal fan’s REGARDLESS. They aren’t. They’re as bandwagon as they come.
 
farce© said:
Brady could afford to. Unlike other NFL QBs, Brady’s wife was earning $30-$50+ million per year, a multiple of what NFL QBs were making back then.
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And she was making that kind of money for several years before they got married.
 
superrific said:
but in a way, the new salary cap model for college sports plays to his (former?) strengths. So before being bummed about the talent, see what BB does with it.
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Salary cap model isn't the term because there are no contracts (yr to yr) and because every team has a different budget (whether different rev share allocations or deeper NIL pockets or bigger bag men). Salary cap helps level the field financially for teams selecting from a finite number of NFL ready bodies, while college involves a much larger pool of bodies who need much, much maturation & dev plus the financial side isn't level at all.
 
Zoo_View said:
The bulk of the Carolina players already in the portal likely weren’t playing much this upcoming season.

Beau Atkinson is the big exception; he was the likely starter at one of the DE/OLB positions. He also was likely UNC’s best defensive player.

Also, the QB who is in the portal, was either #1 or #2 on the depth chart.
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well he couldnt beat out des evans last year so just how good was/is he? maybe mack was the problem? college fb and bb are now no different than unregulated g league or minor league baseball leagues.....neither of which that i watch or give one rats ass about. no way i'd give one single penny to support it.
 
gregh1 said:
Salary cap model isn't the term because there are no contracts (yr to yr) and because every team has a different budget (whether different rev share allocations or deeper NIL pockets or bigger bag men). Salary cap helps level the field financially for teams selecting from a finite number of NFL ready bodies, while college involves a much larger pool of bodies who need much, much maturation & dev plus the financial side isn't level at all.
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I only meant that teams are now buying players, and they have a fixed budget for doing so. Yes, salary cap wasn't exactly the right term, as the budgets aren't the same size and are not meant to promote competition. The basic idea, though, is that if we have a coach who can find players at half the price others are paying, we'll be pretty good. That's an IF of course, but that was my only point.
 
CFordUNC said:
I don't know this for sure but I think Atkinson is leaving because a bigger, better football school like Georgia or Ohio State opened up the checkbook.

I don't think Belichick's "scrimping" strategy that worked so well with New England will work nearly as well at the collegiate level, and especially not at a place like UNC that is only ever halfway serious about football at best as it pertains to institutional investment. At New England, he could get those diamond-in-the-rough players on the cheap, yes, but then he was also able to sign them to contracts, which meant that he wasn't facing the reality of his entire roster being treated as open season free agency every year. And anyway, those diamond-in-the-rough players were still NFL players with NFL talent. The diamond-in-the-rough players that he is currently amassing at UNC are players for whom we are fighting G5 and service academy-level schools. There may be a few under-the-radar guys that he can develop and mold, but it's almost certainly not going to be enough to actually compete at the highest level of college football.

Like I say, I would love nothing more than to be as wrong as two left feet about this whole thing. I'm just very highly skeptical, and I think it's with good reason. I'd have much rather had Jon Sumrall or Glenn Schumann, and yes, I definitely recognize how crazy that sounds on paper to prefer those two guys to Bill freaking Belichick!
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This is a fair point and I share the same concerns. If you try the moneyball roster building strategy in CFB you’re probably going to find yourself finishing 2nd or 3rd in a lot of recruiting battles for top prospects.

We do have to consider the state of the roster that Belichick inherited though. Our last few recruiting classes were pathetic and we had a ton of holes to fill all over the depth chart (thanks Mack). Even with an apparent increased financial commitment from our big boosters there’s still only so much money to go around. We probably can’t afford to dump a ton of money at a few premium positions when you need a ton of bodies up and down the roster.
 
Peppers49 said:
This is a fair point and I share the same concerns. If you try the moneyball roster building strategy in CFB you’re probably going to find yourself finishing 2nd or 3rd in a lot of recruiting battles for top prospects.

We do have to consider the state of the roster that Belichick inherited though. Our last few recruiting classes were pathetic and we had a ton of holes to fill all over the depth chart (thanks Mack). Even with an apparent increased financial commitment from our big boosters there’s still only so much money to go around. We probably can’t afford to dump a ton of money at a few premium positions when you need a ton of bodies up and down the roster.
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You also have to consider that UNC’s budget is significantly less than that of the top flight football schools.

BB has to hope his name and reputation is somewhat of an equalizer.
 
4thgenheel said:
yeah i just texted several friends about the dublin game, would definitely like to go.
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One of my favorite cheesy pickup lines (that no one would ever seriously use (I hope)): Hey, are you from Ireland? Regardless of whether the answer is yes or no, the reply is: Oh, I thought you were, bc when I look at you my penis is doublin’.. (I’ll show myself out now)..
 
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