UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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hedge said:
Even the couple of 5 stars we've gotten relative recently have been disappointing...
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This is a Mack thing. He got so many disappointing 5 stars in his first tenure. That's why the program collapsed after he left. He had stocked the cupboard with fine crystal only to discover it was actually cheap glass.
 
superrific said:
This is a Mack thing. He got so many disappointing 5 stars in his first tenure. That's why the program collapsed after he left. He had stocked the cupboard with fine crystal only to discover it was actually cheap glass.
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Eh, I think that is a lot more accurate of a description for how he left the second time. He left the cupboard absolutely loaded the first time when he went to Texas. The problem was the athletic director listening to the players and hiring the defensive coordinator Carl Torbush instead of actually conducting a national search for what, at the time, would’ve been one of the best college football jobs in the country. The reason the program collapsed after he left was because of back to back disastrous coaching hires completely crater the program. But the defensive players that Mack Brown left the first time were some of the best and toughest we’ve ever had, and went on to be some of the best pros we’ve ever had. He also left behind the consensus number one recruit in the entire country in quarterback Ronald Curry.

If UNC would have made a good hire in the immediate aftermath of Mack Brown departing for Texas in 1997, say a Butch Davis type or a Frank Beamer type or a Mark Richt, it would not have fallen off a cliff like it did. It may not have reached the lofty height of being ranked in the top three in the country like it was with Mack, but it would have continued to be the second best program in the ACC behind Florida State.

The reason that so many five star guys did not pan out under Mack Brown 2.0, in my opinion, is because the culture of the program in 2.0 was the complete antithesis of what it was in 1.0 – that is to say, it was a country club, warm and fuzzy, touchy-feely, feel good type program in 2.0. So much so, in fact, that many of Mack Brown’s former UNC players from 1.0 and I think some of his Texas players commented on how dramatically different he was in terms of coaching them hard the second go round.
 
CFordUNC said:
Eh, I think that is a lot more accurate of a description for how he left the second time. He left the cupboard absolutely loaded the first time when he went to Texas. The problem was the athletic director listening to the players and hiring the defensive coordinator Carl Torbush instead of actually conducting a national search for what, at the time, would’ve been one of the best college football jobs in the country. The reason the program collapsed after he left was because of back to back disastrous coaching hires completely crater the program. But the defensive players that Mack Brown left the first time were some of the best and toughest we’ve ever had, and went on to be some of the best pros we’ve ever had. He also left behind the consensus number one recruit in the entire country in quarterback Ronald Curry.

If UNC would have made a good hire in the immediate aftermath of Mack Brown departing for Texas in 1997, say a Butch Davis type or a Frank Beamer type or a Mark Richt, it would not have fallen off a cliff like it did. It may not have reached the lofty height of being ranked in the top three in the country like it was with Mack, but it would have continued to be the second best program in the ACC behind Florida State.

The reason that so many five star guys did not pan out under Mack Brown 2.0, in my opinion, is because the culture of the program in 2.0 was the complete antithesis of what it was in 1.0 – that is to say, it was a country club, warm and fuzzy, touchy-feely, feel good type program in 2.0. So much so, in fact, that many of Mack Brown’s former UNC players from 1.0 and I think some of his Texas players commented on how dramatically different he was in terms of coaching them hard the second go round.
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You surely know better than I do. I just remember there being a lot of big time recruits not panning out near the end of Mack's tenure. Maybe the original info and/or the memory was wrong. I'm thinking of guys like Domonique Williams (I might be mixing up names here; I'm thinking of the RB who played QB against Furman in that disastrous loss).

Curry doesn't negate my point; he exemplifies it. He was in fact the #1 recruit. But he did not play anywhere near that level. Not his fault necessarily -- he had a serious achilles tear IIRC -- but I think he was one of a fairly long string of misses. Maybe that's just the normal hit rate for 5 stars. I never knew football recruiting nearly as well as basketball.
 
superrific said:
You surely know better than I do. I just remember there being a lot of big time recruits not panning out near the end of Mack's tenure. Maybe the original info and/or the memory was wrong. I'm thinking of guys like Domonique Williams (I might be mixing up names here; I'm thinking of the RB who played QB against Furman in that disastrous loss).

Curry doesn't negate my point; he exemplifies it. He was in fact the #1 recruit. But he did not play anywhere near that level. Not his fault necessarily -- he had a serious achilles tear IIRC -- but I think he was one of a fairly long string of misses. Maybe that's just the normal hit rate for 5 stars. I never knew football recruiting nearly as well as basketball.
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Yeah, unfortunately the thing with Curry is we will never know how good he would have really been because of the Achilles tear as you mentioned, and then the fact that he tried to also play basketball for Carolina. I know Charlie Ward did it but it seems damn near impossible to be an elite football quarterback for a top-tier program and elite basketball point guard for a top-tier program simultaneously. I think had Curry focused entirely on one or the other, his story would’ve been a lot different.
 
Not a fan of the Belichick hire, but I would literally- not figuratively- crawl nekkid across broken glass just to swim through crocodile infested waters with raw steak tied to my ass for Nick Saban to coach UNC football.
 
CFordUNC said:
Not a fan of the Belichick hire, but I would literally- not figuratively- crawl nekkid across broken glass just to swim through crocodile infested waters with raw steak tied to my ass for Nick Saban to coach UNC football.
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"I find him extremely handsome" #Blindside
 
CFordUNC said:
Not a fan of the Belichick hire, but I would literally- not figuratively- crawl nekkid across broken glass just to swim through crocodile infested waters with raw steak tied to my ass for Nick Saban to coach UNC football.
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Listen, you really have to stop teasing calla and ramrouser with posts like this. They had to go watch ICE immigrant prisoner porn to finish themselves off after reading this.
 
Can’t agree that portal transfers don’t have an impact on success. Ohio State brought in Will Howard and Quinshon Judkins (and Caleb Downs) who played massive roles in the success of their offense. And Downs was an All American on defense.
 
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