UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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OK, I'll take that answer.

Fedora's bad teams were both bad and unlucky (especially with injuries). But that just goes to my point. I'd much prefer a coach who could field a competitive, unlucky bunch of losers, than a coach who repeatedly demonstrates his teams do not belong on the same field as even mediocre P4 teams.
I definitely don't disagree with that. And I'd make the 2018 2-9 Fedora team something like a 8.5 point favorite over this current UNC team.
 
I am talking during game. I thinking 2018 we had first and goal at va tech 2'or whatever and we fumbled and VA tech went 98;yards to win. Next week I think at Pitt we needed 1 first down to kill click and I think we shirt armed pass to wide open TE. So to clarify I meant in-game percentage. The odds of losing both were probably 10000 to one or so. Did from memory. Also I think that was year where opponents went ,8 straight games without a holding call. Fedora was cursed.
Yes, your post has now been translated to me by several others. But you have to agree that 2018 and 2017 were much better and more fun to watch than what we've put out this year.

I could get behind you that 1988 and 1989 are analogous -- and for a similar reason. Brown essentially ran off the last bit of Crum talent and started completely from scratch. That is not the way you are supposed to build a team in 2025.
 
Just workshopping this in my mind a little bit. Folks on IC and 247 keep preaching patience and that we need to wait until next year to see how this is really going to go. Have those folks seen our schedule next year? We've got TCU in Dublin; Miami, Louisville, Notre Dame, and NC State in Kenan; Clemson, Pitt, Virginia and Duke on the road. We would likely have to be **extremely** improved in literally every single facet from coaching to roster talent, to lose fewer than 6 of those games, IMO, and that's probably being really generous. We'd have to absolutely crush the transfer portal cycle this winter to have a fighting chance of winning more of those games than we lose, and we are almost assuredly not going to crush the transfer portal cycle this winter unless we fire Mike Lombardi AND every other P4 program forgets the login access to their bank accounts. Lombardi is talking about bringing in 40 HS kids for next year, which when combined with roster attrition from this year and some pickups in the portal, would mean that we'll have somewhere between 50-70 new players on next year's team. As I said earlier, this means that we are going to go from getting our asses kicked with 23 year old players to getting our ass kicked with 18 year old players.

We paid Belichick and Lombardi to come in right away and take advantage of a weak schedule and a weak conference, through their supposed "decided talent evaluation and roster management advantage" relative to all other college coaches . We didn't pay them to come in and decide that they're going to spend the next 4 years building a roster with 40 new HS kids and some Sun Belt castoffs every year.
 
Yes, your post has now been translated to me by several others. But you have to agree that 2018 and 2017 were much better and more fun to watch than what we've put out this year.

I could get behind you that 1988 and 1989 are analogous -- and for a similar reason. Brown essentially ran off the last bit of Crum talent and started completely from scratch. That is not the way you are supposed to build a team in 2025.
Yea. I don't disagree with that. A buddy told me that this was worse than 88 and 89 and I sent him schedule and results. 89 IIRC was worst of the two. I met mack brown right before 90 season and said something like I did not care about 1-10 and 1-10!and he looked at me funny, missing my point for a second. I knew he was building something. I hope BB is.
 
Just workshopping this in my mind a little bit. Folks on IC and 247 keep preaching patience
I haven't seen that on ether site. All the staff on both sites (especially Don Callahan) want Bill on the next train smoking. Greg Barnes discussed patience as a conceptual matter prior to Clemson, but even he said that patience does not mean an entire year.

The primary patience defender on IC, Tarheel44, has taken a mental health break.

So, I think the boards are pretty unanimous that it is now time for Bill to leave. Frankly, Heel79's post is as strong a defense of patience as I have seen on any site.
 
I haven't seen that on ether site. All the staff on both sites (especially Don Callahan) want Bill on the next train smoking. Greg Barnes discussed patience as a conceptual matter prior to Clemson, but even he said that patience does not mean an entire year.

The primary patience defender on IC, Tarheel44, has taken a mental health break.

So, I think the boards are pretty unanimous that it is now time for Bill to leave. Frankly, Heel79's post is as strong a defense of patience as I have seen on any site.
It's not as widespread as it was even as recently as a week or two ago now that we have the Clemson debacle under our belts, but there are still a handful of militantly aggressive posters on both sites who are doing so. Perhaps it just seems like there are more than there are because the ones who *are* doing it, are doing it so frequently on every thread.

I do agree, though, that in the aggregate anti-BB sentiment has defiitely swept through the majority of posters on both sites. Warms my heart, in fact, because many of the ones who have now seen the light were the ones responding to those of us who expressed reservations back in the winter, spring, and summer with smarmy gifs and "you're not a real fan, you don't know football" BS.
 
It's not as widespread as it was even as recently as a week or two ago now that we have the Clemson debacle under our belts, but there are still a handful of militantly aggressive posters on both sites who are doing so. Perhaps it just seems like there are more than there are because the ones who *are* doing it, are doing it so frequently on every thread.

I do agree, though, that in the aggregate anti-BB sentiment has defiitely swept through the majority of posters on both sites. Warms my heart, in fact, because many of the ones who have now seen the light were the ones responding to those of us who expressed reservations back in the winter, spring, and summer with smarmy gifs and "you're not a real fan, you don't know football" BS.
OK, well I don't have rights to 247 anymore, and I have not seen what you are describing on IC -- although I do have certain posters ignored, so maybe it is them.
 
Yes, your post has now been translated to me by several others. But you have to agree that 2018 and 2017 were much better and more fun to watch than what we've put out this year.

I could get behind you that 1988 and 1989 are analogous -- and for a similar reason. Brown essentially ran off the last bit of Crum talent and started completely from scratch. That is not the way you are supposed to build a team in 2025.
Mack was also very young in 1988. It’s painful as fans to sit through a rebuild where you completely rip up the studs and suffer through multiple seasons of ugly results on the field knowing it might not even work, but sometimes that’s the only option, and at least in those situations you know the coach has a longer runway and there might be light at the end of the tunnel (think Vandy under Clark Lea as a more recent, albeit extreme example).

What’s infuriating is that Belichick even in a best case scenario probably only had 3 or 4 seasons in the tank. Why would you hire someone with a very limited shelf life and then try to go down the drawn out rebuild path that Lombardi incoherently laid out in his pathetic email to the PTB? It’s comical how poorly thought out this whole thing was.
 
I haven't seen that on ether site. All the staff on both sites (especially Don Callahan) want Bill on the next train smoking. Greg Barnes discussed patience as a conceptual matter prior to Clemson, but even he said that patience does not mean an entire year.

The primary patience defender on IC, Tarheel44, has taken a mental health break.

So, I think the boards are pretty unanimous that it is now time for Bill to leave. Frankly, Heel79's post is as strong a defense of patience as I have seen on any site.
Which is very telling. I follow college football at the national level pretty closely and almost every single person that covers the sport is saying something along the lines of this is an embarrassment that needs to get nipped in the bud ASAP. These aren’t ABCers that just want to gloat about our failures. They’re people who don’t really have strong feelings about UNC either way that are giving their objective opinion. Then within our own fan base I bet 90+% of people feel the same way.

Imagine being on that much of an island and still thinking, no, it must be that everyone else is an idiot and doesn’t have the patience or foresight to let this play out. Lol.
 
Which is very telling. I follow college football at the national level pretty closely and almost every single person that covers the sport is saying something along the lines of this is an embarrassment that needs to get nipped in the bud ASAP. These aren’t ABCers that just want to gloat about our failures. They’re people who don’t really have strong feelings about UNC either way that are giving their objective opinion. Then within our own fan base I bet 90+% of people feel the same way.

Imagine being on that much of an island and still thinking, no, it must be that everyone else is an idiot and doesn’t have the patience or foresight to let this play out. Lol.
They might not know they are on an island. Trump doesn't know he is on an island because he only reads things that he likes. If you are an ostrich with your head in the sand, you don't have a very good perspective on the rest of the world. I doubt Roberts is following the college football world as closely as you and I doubt he knows the near unanimity of opinion that it is time to pull the plug on Belichick.
 
Let's say we send Belichick packing during this bye week - who coaches the rest of the season? I saw chansky advocating for reaching out to Jeff Saturday to be interrum head coach
That would be a pretty good hire.

The Belichick story even made the Wall Street Journal site today.
 
Let's say we send Belichick packing during this bye week - who coaches the rest of the season? I saw chansky advocating for reaching out to Jeff Saturday to be interrum head coach
Art Chansky does not whether UNC has a good football team. If he's for it, I'm against it.
 
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