UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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CFordUNC said:
I’m legitimately stunned that 79 is doing this. Even thought it was a bit he was doing initially. This is bizarre.

Yeah, it’s the media that’s tearing down UNC football. The media. Not the dipshits in charge of hiring a dipshit, who hired other dipshits, to coach and lead our football program. It’s the media. It’s Luke DeCock writing mean things about UNC football.

Good Lord I’ve seen it all.
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I'm willing to hear other side of story. I have said repeatedly staff bears lots of blame for on field product. My point is that media taking stories that are one sided and running hard, etc. If you read this thread to he dipshits who hired BB were not always dipshits.
 
heel79 said:
I'm willing to hear other side of story. I have said repeatedly staff bears lots of blame for on field product. My point is that media taking stories that are one sided and running hard, etc. If you read this thread to he dipshits who hired BB were not always dipshits.
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One thing I'll add here: one reason a lot of these stories are one-sided is because the consistent response from BB and Lombardi when the media asks for comment on negative stories is to tell them to go fuck themselves. It's the modern-day rich asshole playbook that Trump and others have perfected: refuse to comment on the story, then when it comes out deride it as one-sided fake news. Personally I just call it gutless.
 
rodoheel said:
One thing I'll add here: one reason a lot of these stories are one-sided is because the consistent response from BB and Lombardi when the media asks for comment on negative stories is to tell them to go fuck themselves. It's the modern-day rich asshole playbook that Trump and others have perfected: refuse to comment on the story, then when it comes out deride it as one-sided fake news. Personally I just call it gutless.
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BB not commenting on sideline deal, unhappy parent, divided locker room. Did anyone ask him? His press conference will be interesting. I doubt UNC wants him responding to all this stuff on piecemeal basis. Not reading where anyone reached out and did not get response.
 
For the record, this was what I said on IC on December 11 when it was announced that we were hiring Lombardi as GM:


There are probably 300 living people who have been an NFL GM, and Lombardi might have the worst resume of all of them. He was a GM for one season, over a decade ago; his one season was a debacle and he was immediately fired; he hasn't sniffed a GM job in the decade-plus since; and he hasn't even worked for a football team, period, for almost a decade.

This is the guy you all think will help BB revolutionize UNC's football program with cutting-edge thinking? A washed-up dinosaur who's been out of real work for almost a decade? This is seriously the kind of guy all of you would have wanted as our GM? Seems to me lik a bargain-basement hire because we probably couldn't afford better after paying BB.

Well-run programs are hiring young, ambitious, smart people to run things. We're gonna hire all the washed-up guys in BB's weekly poker game and think we can outclass everyone with our sheer intelligence? Next thing you know, we'll be hiring Matt Patricia as OC and you guys will be saying anyone who isn't elated is a "hater."

(The sole purpose of this post is to say "I told you so").
 
rodoheel said:
For the record, this was what I said on IC on December 11 when it was announced that we were hiring Lombardi as GM:


There are probably 300 living people who have been an NFL GM, and Lombardi might have the worst resume of all of them. He was a GM for one season, over a decade ago; his one season was a debacle and he was immediately fired; he hasn't sniffed a GM job in the decade-plus since; and he hasn't even worked for a football team, period, for almost a decade.

This is the guy you all think will help BB revolutionize UNC's football program with cutting-edge thinking? A washed-up dinosaur who's been out of real work for almost a decade? This is seriously the kind of guy all of you would have wanted as our GM? Seems to me lik a bargain-basement hire because we probably couldn't afford better after paying BB.

Well-run programs are hiring young, ambitious, smart people to run things. We're gonna hire all the washed-up guys in BB's weekly poker game and think we can outclass everyone with our sheer intelligence? Next thing you know, we'll be hiring Matt Patricia as OC and you guys will be saying anyone who isn't elated is a "hater."

(The sole purpose of this post is to say "I told you so").
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You were exactly right about everything except Lombardi being a bargain basement hire. He reset the college GM salary market by a huge margin.
 
1moretimeagain said:
You were exactly right about everything except Lombardi being a bargain basement hire. He reset the college GM salary market by a huge margin.
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I know right? I was apoplectic when I found out what we were paying him. Still can't believe anyone signed off on that BS.
 
CFordUNC said:
It does?

It sounds to me like absolute par for the course for someone who has been known for 25 years to be an insufferable, self-centered asshole who is impossible to deal with even when the team is winning. If you think that it sounds out of character for Bill Belichick to tell a player who can’t contribute on the field that he isn’t part of the team, we’ve been reading about and observing different Bill Belichick’s for the last two decades. Dude cut starting players and benched starters for Super Bowls for bizarre reasons. Telling an injured college player to take a hike seems well within his wheelhouse.

Also, who do you think is lying about that? Andrew Jones? The player (or source) who told him? Seems like a very oddly specific thing to make up out of thin air.
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Yes, but he's also been a head coach for 25 years, and that's not how injured players are treated anywhere in football. There's no upside for BB in doing this, and it would be a marked departure from what he's been used to doing for his whole life. It's one thing for him to do something lousy that's nonetheless within the normal contours of the job -- things like benching starters. It's another thing to go out of his way, to depart from the way things are normally done.

Plus, wouldn't he be overruled by the AD? The idea that our AD would let BB treat a player that way -- I don't know. You're way closer to the situation than I am, but I'm skeptical.

I have no idea who would be lying. I don't know any of the people. But again, it doesn't have to be lying. There could have been a miscommunication, and then it gets exaggerated every time the tale is told, etc. There are usually non-intentional ways that stupid shit can happen. If you told me that BB was informed that the player thought he had been excluded from the facility and BB's reaction was "sucks for him," that is believable to me given your portrayal of BB's personality. I just don't see any upside for him picking on a player like that
 
superrific said:
Yes, but he's also been a head coach for 25 years, and that's not how injured players are treated anywhere in football. There's no upside for BB in doing this, and it would be a marked departure from what he's been used to doing for his whole life. It's one thing for him to do something lousy that's nonetheless within the normal contours of the job -- things like benching starters. It's another thing to go out of his way, to depart from the way things are normally done.

Plus, wouldn't he be overruled by the AD? The idea that our AD would let BB treat a player that way -- I don't know. You're way closer to the situation than I am, but I'm skeptical.

I have no idea who would be lying. I don't know any of the people. But again, it doesn't have to be lying. There could have been a miscommunication, and then it gets exaggerated every time the tale is told, etc. There are usually non-intentional ways that stupid shit can happen. If you told me that BB was informed that the player thought he had been excluded from the facility and BB's reaction was "sucks for him," that is believable to me given your portrayal of BB's personality. I just don't see any upside for him picking on a player like that
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I have no clue what you are trying to say. I read your poast 3 times.

“……and that’s not how injured players are treated anywhere in football.”

Seriously? Really? You believe that?

I haven’t thought of you as naive.

“….Plus, wouldn’t he be overruled by the AD?”

The AD didn’t hire Bill Belichick. The Preyer asshole on the BOT’s and the MAGAt Chancellor hired the MAGAt Bill Belichick.

Just what is Bubba going to say to Belichick? “Thank you, may I have another?”

In modern P4 college sports, AD’s do not discipline football head coaches or men’s basketball head coaches. Shit, at the P4 level, AD’s don’t hire those coaches.
 
superrific said:
Yes, but he's also been a head coach for 25 years, and that's not how injured players are treated anywhere in football. There's no upside for BB in doing this, and it would be a marked departure from what he's been used to doing for his whole life. It's one thing for him to do something lousy that's nonetheless within the normal contours of the job -- things like benching starters. It's another thing to go out of his way, to depart from the way things are normally done.

Plus, wouldn't he be overruled by the AD? The idea that our AD would let BB treat a player that way -- I don't know. You're way closer to the situation than I am, but I'm skeptical.

I have no idea who would be lying. I don't know any of the people. But again, it doesn't have to be lying. There could have been a miscommunication, and then it gets exaggerated every time the tale is told, etc. There are usually non-intentional ways that stupid shit can happen. If you told me that BB was informed that the player thought he had been excluded from the facility and BB's reaction was "sucks for him," that is believable to me given your portrayal of BB's personality. I just don't see any upside for him picking on a player like that
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Bill has long been known for treatment of players that some would consider heartless - not just benching a starter but also cutting players with little to no warning, discarding them the second he deems them no longer worth their salary (including because of injury), etc.

The added context here is that the player in question was a Mack holdover, and people have been reporting feeling among players and parents that the holdovers are often being treated worse than the new guys Belichick brought in.

And the AD would not typically be part of these types of personnel management decisions at all.
 
In the end, winning (or losing) matters. The media definitely smells blood (a story) and are circling. If Carolina was 4-1 and the same stories were coming out, we'd chalk it up to "Bill being Bill." But losing - especially the way we are losing - matters, and it's clear there are major cultural issues that aren't likely to be resolved without a new staff.
 
this could all be recoverable if we had some talent that could piece together a few wins in a row. unfortunately we are so goddamn talentless that we can barely piece together a couple first downs in a row or a couple of stops on defense in a row vs any average team.

gonna get a lot worse when the blowout l's pile up if the ptb's dont stop the bleeding somehow
 
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