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What would demonstrate improvement to you then?
UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway
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I’ve made plenty of posts about our schemes this season. You’re by all means welcome to go back and find them if you want.
Yep, this is pretty much what I believe UNC’s realistic upside looks like in the current ACC if we ever hit on a coaching hire. We have the financial resources and recruiting advantages to be consistently in that 8-4/9-3 ballpark, and maybe once every 5 years everything breaks right with the schedule and we win double digit games.
It’s really not that crazy of a goal. It’s weird to me that so many of our fans like the guy I was responding to have this aversion to the football program ever being better than it is lol.
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how about beating someone other than a fbs high school team ranked higher than 90th? that would be a good start. since you believe we are improving what result would you consider as a worsening vs stanford who is ranked 115th?
I think that there is a fascinating gap between how Bill B looks at football and how many of our internet fans think about the game
Prior to this last game Bill had been saying - for weeks - that this team is improving and that he sees clear evidence of players (and coaches) getting better,
He said, more than once, that the score is not really the best measure of the process and the improvement. I tend to agree with that and I certainly agreed with him. It is just pretty obvious that many football games can turn on a couple unfortunate plays or just bad bounces (or poor calls). UNC clearly COULD have beaten UVA and Cal for instance.
Some fans here, especially the MAGA ones, seem to believe that every final score is proof of larger truths about the quality of coaching. I think that Bill B surely WANTS to win, but he is most focused on creating a system and a process. I think he knows the game. I also assume that he thinks that most of these fans - and a surprising number of the press - are morons. Hard to disagree with that.
Prior to this last game Bill had been saying - for weeks - that this team is improving and that he sees clear evidence of players (and coaches) getting better,
He said, more than once, that the score is not really the best measure of the process and the improvement. I tend to agree with that and I certainly agreed with him. It is just pretty obvious that many football games can turn on a couple unfortunate plays or just bad bounces (or poor calls). UNC clearly COULD have beaten UVA and Cal for instance.
Some fans here, especially the MAGA ones, seem to believe that every final score is proof of larger truths about the quality of coaching. I think that Bill B surely WANTS to win, but he is most focused on creating a system and a process. I think he knows the game. I also assume that he thinks that most of these fans - and a surprising number of the press - are morons. Hard to disagree with that.
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My goal for Carolina Football is to be a perennial top 25 team (typically somewhere 15th to 25th) and every 5 years or so to be a legitimate ACC championship (and therefore CFP) contender.
I want us to be a team that plays "hard, smart, & together" and looks like coaching has assisted the players to largely be the best versions of themselves, individually and a collectively.
I want us to be a team that regularly beats our biggest rivals (State, dook, Virginia, etc) and regularly wins the games where it is favored.
Anything better than that would be gravy. Anything less feels like capitulating to mediocrity.
(I mean, at some point I might go all PSU and get mad that we lose big games and don't win the national title, but it'd take me at least ten years to get there.)
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yea it’s pretty much the exact opposite
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He didn’t specify, my assumption was season long.
All. Collins didn't play for Cuse at all, and Gio's QBR was his best of the season vs Cuse. He was efficient, 2 TDs, got great yardage on runs and didn't turn it over. A few of his 200 yards were from screen passes i think, not really challenging throws, but still.
Earlier in this thread there were some comments about better discussion topics. I really agree with that.
I would say, for instance, that the endless posts and threads about whether BB is doing a good job are a waste of time. Most seem to be predicated on the assumption that the poster believes that he/she simply knows more than BB. That strikes me as silly,
BUT there are tons of discussions one might have about decisions that have been made, when those discussions are framed as analysis of "why" a decision went a particular way, I wish folks would just dispense with these exaggerated notions of how much they know, and how much smarter they are than the OC and the HC and the position coaches. A more interesting question (to me) would ask what variables led the coaching staff to call this play or play this player etc. That is, "why do you think they decided to do this?"
Of course, I think that I am wiser than the POTUS and his entire cabinet, so there is that
I would say, for instance, that the endless posts and threads about whether BB is doing a good job are a waste of time. Most seem to be predicated on the assumption that the poster believes that he/she simply knows more than BB. That strikes me as silly,
BUT there are tons of discussions one might have about decisions that have been made, when those discussions are framed as analysis of "why" a decision went a particular way, I wish folks would just dispense with these exaggerated notions of how much they know, and how much smarter they are than the OC and the HC and the position coaches. A more interesting question (to me) would ask what variables led the coaching staff to call this play or play this player etc. That is, "why do you think they decided to do this?"
Of course, I think that I am wiser than the POTUS and his entire cabinet, so there is that
He obviously knows the defensive side. He didn't inherit much to work with (partly due to self-inflicted portal pain) and the D is looking better and better every week.
Elsewhere somebody opined that BB didn't care about winning the early games, rather guys just doing things "right", and that rather than coaching to win he was just coaching to be better at fundamentals. I pondered if he viewed the early games simply as exhibition while trying to see what sticks - stuff like Buchanan playing, all the random offensive playcalling, all the rotations. Both of these could be wrong, and it perhaps was just evidence that he's struggling to quickly adapt to college ball without many players here during spring and no pre-season games.
What about barely losing, in OT, to a ranked UVA team, in which we had bad TO luck?
Yea. Not sure where the maga stuff came from. Most folks commenting on here seem anti-bb and clearly maga is the minority here.
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Every football coach UNC has ever had knows way more about football than anyone on this message board, or at least the vast majority of us. Does that mean none of us ever can or should offer their opinion on whether any UNC football coach is doing a good job? That strikes me as silly.
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I don't think anyone here thinks "they know more about football than Bill Belichick". In fact, I think many here would explicitly say the opposite.
But it doesn't take an engineer to know something's wrong when the building collapses.
We've looked terrible in 3 games this year, beaten 3 bad (or FCS) teams this year, and come up short in crunch time in our other 2 games. While there has seemingly been improvement as the year has gone on, after the UCF game the bar was in hell and even now, with improvement, it's tough to say whether or not we've gotten to mediocre or just merely not-really-bad.
It doesn't take a football savant to know that this team has significant issues and that the problems go a lot deeper than "Why did the coaches decide to do this?" about specific plays or players.
Yet if we win out and win a bowl game the offseason hype will be insane. We will likely be preseason top 25 and all the Bill love will be back in full force.
The odds of that are like 1% now, but I’d like to see it.
It’s such an obnoxious way to deflect.
“Belichick knows way more about football than people on a message board
” No fucking shit. That doesn’t automatically mean that he’s doing a good job or doesn’t deserve all of the criticism.
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I am absolutely, positively shaking with laughter at the notion that we aren't allowed to comment or critique Bill freaking Belichick (or any coach) since they must inherently know so much more about football than everyone else who doesn't professionally coach football for a living. I mean, pardon my language, but JFC. That might be the most absurd notion I have ever read on any message board ever, that you can't critique a coach because they're supposedly so much smarter than us non-coaching peons. My God.
Look, I don't get paid $10 million to coach football, but even my ignorant, imbecilic, dumbass brain can see that, for example, Gio Lopez isn't a P4 starter and certainly not worth paying LITERAL MULTIPLE MILLION DOLLARS, or that taking a QB who is decidedly NOT a pocket passer and insisting on trying to force him to become one in an NFL-style under-center offense, or that repeatedly punting on 4th and 2 from plus territory, or that you shouldn't call timeouts or coach your players to run out of bounds when trying to prevent the other offense from getting the ball and scoring again right before half, is.....not good coaching. And, for another example, you don't have to be the literal highest-paid GM in all of college football to know that you shouldn't be trying to take a class of 40+ high school recruits on which to form the core of your team, when the entire rest of the sport has figured out that you should do the exact opposite.
I will say this, based on my very own personal experience inside of a collegiate football program (the very same one I'm critiquing on this thread, incidentally!): I fully acknowledge that fans are extraordinarily rarely more knowledgeable than coaches about specific play calls or X's and O's. There is so much that goes into play calling that it would be impossible for someone who doesn't do it every single day for a living to know better the intracacies of it than the people who are paid to do it professionally. So when fans get mad because play call X didn't work, or play call Y didn't work, or play call Z used to work but now it no longer does, most of the time they don't understand that it's because the guys who are on the other side of the line of scrimmage, and the people who are paid professionaly to coach and play calls for them, did something "more" correct. That is completely different than fans, like several of us on this thread, who are analyzing overall trends and seeing that the way that UNC is currently doing some things is not at all in alignment with the way that any other highly successful college football program is doing them- and we are calling it out and critiquing it.
Look, I don't get paid $10 million to coach football, but even my ignorant, imbecilic, dumbass brain can see that, for example, Gio Lopez isn't a P4 starter and certainly not worth paying LITERAL MULTIPLE MILLION DOLLARS, or that taking a QB who is decidedly NOT a pocket passer and insisting on trying to force him to become one in an NFL-style under-center offense, or that repeatedly punting on 4th and 2 from plus territory, or that you shouldn't call timeouts or coach your players to run out of bounds when trying to prevent the other offense from getting the ball and scoring again right before half, is.....not good coaching. And, for another example, you don't have to be the literal highest-paid GM in all of college football to know that you shouldn't be trying to take a class of 40+ high school recruits on which to form the core of your team, when the entire rest of the sport has figured out that you should do the exact opposite.
I will say this, based on my very own personal experience inside of a collegiate football program (the very same one I'm critiquing on this thread, incidentally!): I fully acknowledge that fans are extraordinarily rarely more knowledgeable than coaches about specific play calls or X's and O's. There is so much that goes into play calling that it would be impossible for someone who doesn't do it every single day for a living to know better the intracacies of it than the people who are paid to do it professionally. So when fans get mad because play call X didn't work, or play call Y didn't work, or play call Z used to work but now it no longer does, most of the time they don't understand that it's because the guys who are on the other side of the line of scrimmage, and the people who are paid professionaly to coach and play calls for them, did something "more" correct. That is completely different than fans, like several of us on this thread, who are analyzing overall trends and seeing that the way that UNC is currently doing some things is not at all in alignment with the way that any other highly successful college football program is doing them- and we are calling it out and critiquing it.
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ive seen uva play 4 times this year. if they are a top 50 team then im george clooney. maybe they play down to their comp because they shouldve lost to a pitiful 2 win wash st team also. duke is the best team we have left and they are borderline top 40. we deserve a lot more with what we are paying and im not giving bb and cronies any leeway whatsoever. i dont give one rats ass about any sports coach...never have.