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akillesheel said:
Syracuse and Stanford should have looked like last year's FSU and UVA games. all four teams were horrifically bad in the trenches, all but FSU were playing at a serious talent deficit, and all but UVA had pretty much given up on the season. instead, Bill couldn't muster a halftime lead against either, including actually losing at half to a freshman lacrosse player, and gave Stanford its smallest margin of loss against competition not named Hawai'i or San Jose State.

i genuinely can't believe i'm spending this much energy defending Mack Brown but it's just unbelievable how thick the Bill Blinders are.
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If it was in Nov Mack would've blown it. Bill has been horrible, but to think Mack would've won 6 games with this roster is ridiculous. Brown never learned to rotate players, the few young players we have would be a bloody pulp by mid-season.
 
It's quite possible that both coaches are over the hill and both suck and should have stayed retired, although Mack did get off to a decent start, but should have retired after 2 or 3 seasons at UNC and handed the helm off to a younger successor. The real lesson from all this is maybe UNC shouldn't be blowing very large sums of money on elderly over-the-hill coaches who were great in their prime but have long since lost their touch and should have been put out to pasture to enjoy their retirement years ago.
 
Pretty positive update by Chad Simmons regarding the Baker RB now committed to Florida. 4'star. He still likes SC but says UNC has turned it up with NIL dollars. Still saying Cleveland to UNC. Be really nice to pull two 4'stars from SEc programs on signing day.
 
uncjhodges said:
outside of a brief time period when he was on the Bengals, never lived or coached east of Utah. He is not a good fit for Penn state and wouldn’t be a good fit for us either
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You probably know better than me. I've just been impressed with his teams (the way the play, etc.) for a while now. (I get to see several of their games, living here on the west coast.)
 
stankeylegjones said:
You probably know better than me. I've just been impressed with his teams (the way the play, etc.) for a while now. (I get to see several of their games, living here on the west coast.)
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O he’s a good coach, probably a great coach, obviously he’s done well at BYU…just would be a weird cultural fit and I don’t like taking coaches out of their geographic and cultural area. Rarely works imo. Going to hurt Chesney too
 
All ACC team

2nd Team

DE – Melkart Abou Jaoude, North Carolina (90)


Honorable Mention:
Shipp, Simpson, House, and Rece Verhoff

Talent
 
Calheel said:
I’m dubious there are two better FG kickers in the ACC than Verhoff.
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tough to argue with at least 2 the 3 that were picked imo

Birr (GT, 1st team): 25/28 FG (89.3%), 8/11 from 40+ including 1/3 from 50+
Butkowski (Pitt, 2nd team): 19/22 FG (86.4%), 6/9 from 40+, 0 attempts from 50+
Ranvier (Louisville, 3rd team): 21/24 FG (87.5%), 8/11 from 40+ including 2/4 from 50+
Verhoff: 19/23 FG (82.6%), 11/14 from 40+ including 1/3 from 50+

I don't think Butkowski deserved 2nd team but I'd have a hard time putting Verhoff over Birr or Ranvier; his 10/11 mark from 40-49 is really impressive but not so much more than their 7/8s that it compensates the difference between them being perfect in short range and Verhoff having missed a chip shot. Unfortunately football is a low-volume endeavor so one missed kick can be the difference in both the on-field results and the way a season is perceived. Then again, Ranvier also missed an XP which Verhoff did not.

TBH I think the bigger snub is BC's Luca Lombardo. He had a low volume of kicks because BC's offense was so bad, but he led the conference in FG% (16/17, 94%), 3/4 from 40-49, and 2/2 from 50+. IMO he deserves 2nd team more than Butkowski or Verhoff. My rank would be Birr, Lombardo, Ranvier, Verhoff, Butkowski, but the Ranvier/Verhoff conversation is a fairly open one.
 
akillesheel said:
tough to argue with at least 2 the 3 that were picked imo

Birr (GT, 1st team): 25/28 FG (89.3%), 8/11 from 40+ including 1/3 from 50+
Butkowski (Pitt, 2nd team): 19/22 FG (86.4%), 6/9 from 40+, 0 attempts from 50+
Ranvier (Louisville, 3rd team): 21/24 FG (87.5%), 8/11 from 40+ including 2/4 from 50+
Verhoff: 19/23 FG (82.6%), 11/14 from 40+ including 1/3 from 50+

I don't think Butkowski deserved 2nd team but I'd have a hard time putting Verhoff over Birr or Ranvier; his 10/11 mark from 40-49 is really impressive but not so much more than their 7/8s that it compensates the difference between them being perfect in short range and Verhoff having missed a chip shot. Unfortunately football is a low-volume endeavor so one missed kick can be the difference in both the on-field results and the way a season is perceived. Then again, Ranvier also missed an XP which Verhoff did not.

TBH I think the bigger snub is BC's Luca Lombardo. He had a low volume of kicks because BC's offense was so bad, but he led the conference in FG% (16/17, 94%), 3/4 from 40-49, and 2/2 from 50+. IMO he deserves 2nd team more than Butkowski or Verhoff. My rank would be Birr, Lombardo, Ranvier, Verhoff, Butkowski, but the Ranvier/Verhoff conversation is a fairly open one.
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Although Verhoff may share some of the blame, recall that two of misses were blocks. If those kicks are not blocked, he is 21/23.

Also, Verhoff had a long of 57. Birr had a 55 FG against Clemson and then a bunch of short kicks. Ranvier has a better argument but only had a long of 51.
 
Calheel said:
Although Verhoff may share some of the blame, recall that two of misses were blocks. If those kicks are not blocked, he is 21/23.

Also, Verhoff had a long of 57. Birr had a 55 FG against Clemson and then a bunch of short kicks. Ranvier has a better argument but only had a long of 51.
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a) you can't assume that every blocked kick would have been good otherwise, though tbf I had forgotten that Verhoff's 38-yarder was clean blocked rather than missed.
b) you're accounting for Verhoff's kicks that were blocked but not mentioning the kicks that the others may have had blocked, which creates an unfair playing field. imo blocked kicks are kind of like tipped interceptions; they're more on the kicker/QB than is typically acknowledged and the parts that aren't happen to everybody, so there's not really a reason to adjust for them.
c) you can only make the kicks you're given; it's not those kickers' fault that UNC's offense was worse than theirs and thus gave them easier opportunities. They were, as I mentioned, just about as good or better than Verhoff from distance. Judging by longest field goal, unless there was somebody who hadn't hit a 45+ yarder all year in the conversation, is using a data point that's so small and random I think it's basically meaningless.

I think it's defensible to say Verhoff was no worse than 2nd out of the 5 kickers named, as you did - but I also don't think he was for sure snubbed. ACC was a very good kicking league this year, if nothing else.
 
akillesheel said:
a) you can't assume that every blocked kick would have been good otherwise, though tbf I had forgotten that Verhoff's 38-yarder was clean blocked rather than missed.
b) you're accounting for Verhoff's kicks that were blocked but not mentioning the kicks that the others may have had blocked, which creates an unfair playing field. imo blocked kicks are kind of like tipped interceptions; they're more on the kicker/QB than is typically acknowledged and the parts that aren't happen to everybody, so there's not really a reason to adjust for them.
c) you can only make the kicks you're given; it's not those kickers' fault that UNC's offense was worse than theirs and thus gave them easier opportunities. They were, as I mentioned, just about as good or better than Verhoff from distance. Judging by longest field goal, unless there was somebody who hadn't hit a 45+ yarder all year in the conversation, is using a data point that's so small and random I think it's basically meaningless.

I think it's defensible to say Verhoff was no worse than 2nd out of the 5 kickers named, as you did - but I also don't think he was for sure snubbed. ACC was a very good kicking league this year, if nothing else.
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If you were an NFL team, which kicker would you rank the highest? Who would you trust most to make those long NFL kicks now?
 
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