UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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Zoo_View said:
How many universities have “high-performing football programs” in a single season?

How many universities have “high-performing football programs” over five years?

How many universities have “high-performing football programs” year-after-year-after-year-after-year?

How many of those “high-performing” football programs generate profits? How many share profits with the academic side of the University?
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What is the main point of your argument?
 
Zoo_View said:
I’ve read your posts.

You are not arguing in good faith.

Athletics DOES NOT produce MONEY to fund the academic side of the university/college. It doesn’t.

Does a national championship in football or Men’s basketball help a D1 school raise money? Yes it does.

Does it generate enough money to fund the university for a year? No.

Let’s go long-term.

How does the University of Alabama’s endowment compare to the University of Chicago’s?
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Football makes money. Athletics as a whole do not, because football (and to some extent men's basketball) subsidize the other 19 sports that cost far more than they bring in. If money is your concern, then you should be going after field hockey, soccer, wrestling, etc..
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Football makes money. Athletics as a whole do not, because football (and to some extent men's basketball) subsidize the other 19 sports that cost far more than they bring in. If money is your concern, then you should be going after field hockey, soccer, wrestling, etc..
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At how many D1 schools does football make money?
 
Zoo_View said:
At how many D1 schools does football make money?
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Well, at our own school:

Football and men’s basketball were the only sports to turn profits. The football program reported nearly $67 million in revenue against $40 million in expenses, while men’s basketball reported $32 million in revenue against $13.4 million in expenses.
chapelboro.com

New Financial Report Shows UNC Athletics Made Record Revenue in 2023-24 Year - Chapelboro.com

The newest financial report from the UNC athletic department to the NCAA shows record-high revenue numbers for the 2023-24 year.
chapelboro.com chapelboro.com
 
Zoo_View said:
Football programs ARE NOT generating substantial funds for academic programs .
Athletics are a cost at universities; they aren’t profit-generating.
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Football generates tens of millions in profits for the University of North Carolina each year. See above. Perhaps you should take up your beef with the soccer, lacrosse, and field hockey teams.
 
Zoo_View said:
Football programs ARE NOT generating substantial funds for academic programs .
Athletics are a cost at universities; they aren’t profit-generating.
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Your first point is patently wrong.
Your second point is also wrong, Texas this past year is an counterexample. But, I do agree that most definitely operate at a negative.
 
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Pains me to poast this, but the Woofies are going to be really good next year IF Bailey decides to return for next season. Smothers is hitting the portal, but part of me wants Bailey to return so that I have hope that loyalty may still remain for players at certain P4 programs that are not powerhouses. If Smothers and Bailey both portal, makes me wonder just what chance UNC will have of retaining top players as opposed to them getting poached by powerhouses.
Also pains me to see how the Woofies and Heels have completely different trajectories for their programs...
 
CRHeel94 said:
Are you sure about that? Would think that's the case in the P5 programs.
Thought I had read that many of the G5 programs lost money.
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With the caveat that college football accounting makes Enron accounting look legit, the G5s and P4s are both rolling in the dough. It is why FCS schools want to move to FBS. They don’t have the money for full revenue share, but the donations + media + ticket sales + concessions are almost always in the black.

Shoot, some of the historically black schools fund their entire athletic department with one P4 game a year.

Now, women’s soccer and basketball? That is a totally different equation.
 
I just read a post by Greg on IC, stating that the budget for the next coach (prior to pursuing Belichick) was 5 million / year. I don't see how that was going to pull in Campbell or Summrall. After the decision to pursue Belichick they realized the money would have to change. Hopefully they'll keep this realization going forward when hiring the next coach.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I just read a post by Greg on IC, stating that the budget for the next coach (prior to pursuing Belichick) was 5 million / year. I don't see how that was going to pull in Campbell or Summrall. After the decision to pursue Belichick they realized the money would have to change. Hopefully they'll keep this realization going forward when hiring the next coach.
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I guess the thing is that it’s an awful job by the chancellor not indicating we were willing to spend more to Bubba and there’s the obvious middle ground between 5 million for sumrall and 20 million for a staff no one else would hire

Everything about the Bellichick hire makes me think of DOGE. Things weren’t working perfectly so we just burned everything down for the sake of doing something
 
stankeylegjones said:
I just read a post by Greg on IC, stating that the budget for the next coach (prior to pursuing Belichick) was 5 million / year. I don't see how that was going to pull in Campbell or Summrall. After the decision to pursue Belichick they realized the money would have to change. Hopefully they'll keep this realization going forward when hiring the next coach.
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I've said for a while that a school would be better off hiring an up and coming, low-budget FCS coaching staff and allocate 2x to the player personnel budget. I'd be fine paying the next coaching staff $5million+, if we could be the next Texas Tech in the player personnel dept.
 
uncjhodges said:
I guess the thing is that it’s an awful job by the chancellor not indicating we were willing to spend more to Bubba and there’s the obvious middle ground between 5 million for sumrall and 20 million for a staff no one else would hire

Everything about the Bellichick hire makes me think of DOGE. Things weren’t working perfectly so we just burned everything down for the sake of doing something
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I think by the time the decision was made, and why it was made, to pay more the pursuit for Belichick was on. I don't think paying someone else say 7.5 / year was an option. Maybe, if Belichick said no. Hopefully they'll continue with this mindset when it's time to bring in a new staff.
 
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