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If Petrino does become OC, how in the world can anybody believe a single word he utters? Endless record of deceit, disloyalty, lack of integrity, and that is based on his football career, not the personal stuff.
But now I fear BB believes Petrino is the one who can summon the hidden talent of one Gio Lopez. Or if he starts at QB against TCU in Ireland, Gi O'Lopez?
 
Thinking more about this supposed Petrino hire, and it continues to strike me how UNC, more than any other school out there, is obsessed with hiring the has-been retread whose prime we missed by a decade or more (but whose success in their prime is our whole reason for hiring them now). We did it with Mack Brown, Gene Chizik, and now Bill Belichick and Bobby Petrino (and Chip Kelly was supposedly the runner-up). It's like we have some bizarre tic that doesn't enable us to ever look *ahead* and try to hire the coach that may be good over the *next* 10 years- no, we have to hire the guy who was good a decade ago and has since fallen off.

Petrino was an offensive mastermind at Auburn, Louisville, and Arkansas in the 2000's and early 2010's. But getting fired from Arkansas in 2012, outside of one elite season with Lamar Jackson at Louisville in 2017, he's been...fine, but that's it. Nothing out of this world. Since that Lamar Jackson season, he's been fired from Louisville the very next year, then left Missouri State after a losing season, then spent 21 days at UNLV before going to Texas A&M, spent one season at A&M before being replaced, and then the last two years at Arkansas where he was also let go with the staff this season. To be fair, he did very significantly improve Arkansas's offense, but this season especially their offensive numbers are a bit inflated due to the massive amount of time they spent trailing in games and having to throw out of necessity. He's absolutely going to be lightyears better as an offensive schemer and playcaller than what we had last year, though certainly that's a painfully low bar to clear.

Obviously I'm not without my own bias. I'm certainly not a fan of this Belichick experiment, haven't been from day one, and want it to end as soon as possible. So I certainly recognize my own bias in seeing almost everything that our program is currently doing through a negative lens. I own that. But I am not being negative for the sake or enjoyment of being negative- I just truly disagree with pretty much everything about the current direction of the football program that I love, and for better or worse, I have this forum to voice those frustrations.
We also did it with Butch Davis.

Rule #1 - NEVER EVER EVER hire a D1 Football Coach who doesn’t already have a coaching staff.
 
Thinking more about this supposed Petrino hire, and it continues to strike me how UNC, more than any other school out there, is obsessed with hiring the has-been retread whose prime we missed by a decade or more (but whose success in their prime is our whole reason for hiring them now). We did it with Mack Brown, Gene Chizik, and now Bill Belichick and Bobby Petrino (and Chip Kelly was supposedly the runner-up). It's like we have some bizarre tic that doesn't enable us to ever look *ahead* and try to hire the coach that may be good over the *next* 10 years- no, we have to hire the guy who was good a decade ago and has since fallen off.

Petrino was an offensive mastermind at Auburn, Louisville, and Arkansas in the 2000's and early 2010's. But getting fired from Arkansas in 2012, outside of one elite season with Lamar Jackson at Louisville in 2017, he's been...fine, but that's it. Nothing out of this world. Since that Lamar Jackson season, he's been fired from Louisville the very next year, then left Missouri State after a losing season, then spent 21 days at UNLV before going to Texas A&M, spent one season at A&M before being replaced, and then the last two years at Arkansas where he was also let go with the staff this season. To be fair, he did very significantly improve Arkansas's offense, but this season especially their offensive numbers are a bit inflated due to the massive amount of time they spent trailing in games and having to throw out of necessity. He's absolutely going to be lightyears better as an offensive schemer and playcaller than what we had last year, though certainly that's a painfully low bar to clear.

Obviously I'm not without my own bias. I'm certainly not a fan of this Belichick experiment, haven't been from day one, and want it to end as soon as possible. So I certainly recognize my own bias in seeing almost everything that our program is currently doing through a negative lens. I own that. But I am not being negative for the sake or enjoyment of being negative- I just truly disagree with pretty much everything about the current direction of the football program that I love, and for better or worse, I have this forum to voice those frustrations.
Texas Tech walked so we could run.

Bobby Knight
Tommy Tuberville
Billy Gillespie
Tubby Smith

If you were good at a big name school in the past, you could always get a job at Tech.

Now the school has learned to get a cheap coach and expensive players.
 
If Petrino does become OC, how in the world can anybody believe a single word he utters? Endless record of deceit, disloyalty, lack of integrity, and that is based on his football career, not the personal stuff.
But now I fear BB believes Petrino is the one who can summon the hidden talent of one Gio Lopez. Or if he starts at QB against TCU in Ireland, Gi O'Lopez?
He has consistently improved and delivered quality offenses for the past 20 years. His job is Offensive Coordinator, not team Chaplin. I don't hold things he did in his personal life 14 years ago against him.
 
He has consistently improved and delivered quality offenses for the past 20 years. His job is Offensive Coordinator, not team Chaplin. I don't hold things he did in his personal life 14 years ago against him.
Why is it always the assumption that people who dislike Petrino do so because of his personal life? That is the smallest blip on the Petrino radar.
 
Why is it always the assumption that people who dislike Petrino do so because of his personal life? That is the smallest blip on the Petrino radar.
Because objectively he has been a good OC so it seems hard to argue with the appointment beyond failings in his personal life?
 
Why is it always the assumption that people who dislike Petrino do so because of his personal life? That is the smallest blip on the Petrino radar.
Because the ones I deal with that dislike him cite his affair and the way he left the Falcons One I know holds a grudge because the way he beat us a few times. It's generally the typical sanctimonious UNC fans that are this way
 
Because objectively he has been a good OC so it seems hard to argue with the appointment beyond failings in his personal life?
This is just categorically untrue. Everywhere (and I mean quite literally everywhere) he has worked detests the guy and he always leaves under a cloud of "dont let the door hit ya". Players who have played under him and coaches who have worked with him are very vocal in their criticisms of him.
 
Because objectively he has been a good OC so it seems hard to argue with the appointment beyond failings in his personal life?
It's actually very easy to argue with the appointment strictly on a professional basis without even taking into consideration any personal failings he may have had with adultery. He has a very sordid professional history of being dishonest, undependable, and a back stabber. He tried to leave Louisville after a single season in 2003 and interviewed for the Auburn job without Louisville's knowledge and with Auburn doing the interview secretly, as well, despite Tommy Tuberville still being employed. He left the Atlanta Falcons 13 games into his first season to take the Arkansas job after having personally promised Arthur Blank 24 hours prior that he was not leaving; he did not inform his staff or players at all. He lied to his employer at Arkansas about the hiring process that he illegally circumvented in order to hire his mistress, a 25-year-old Arkansas athletic department staff member, to be his personal assistant; he also lied to them about his mistress having been on the motorcycle with him when he crashed and it was only when a state police report was leaked did Arkansas find out. He left jobs at Western Kentucky after a single season and Missouri State after two seasons, both times without informing his staff and players. He took the OC job at UNLV and held it for 3 weeks before taking the Texas A&M OC job.

In short, it's not his personal conduct that I find unappealing about him. Well, I guess that's not entirely true- I personally find his adultery to be morally unbecoming, but I have the ability to completely separate his personal life shortcomings when evaluating him professionally. His professional behavior alone should be enough to give any self-respecting school or program pause when hiring him. Not only that, but it is nearly a unanimous notion among virtually every player or staffer across all teams that have worked with him or played with him over the years that he is a slimeball.

Speaking strictly in terms of his work as an offensive schemer and playcaller, there's no question he's been really good at what he does over the course of his career. And clearly he is being hired by UNC for the sole explicit purpose of manufacturing more offense. I understand the *why* of his hiring. I just don't agree with the *how*, if that makes sense. What I mean by that is, I do not like the idea of someone like Bobby Petrino, who is universally known as one of the biggest scumbags in the industry, to be a representative of my alma mater and of the football program from which I hold varsity letters. I do not like the idea of adding someone who has a long and sordid track record of causing major cultural and internal problems almost everywhere he's been, to an already chaotic environment with clear culture issues. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze.

Having said all of the above, I recognize that 1. my opinion is completely meaningless in the grand scheme, and 2. it's an opinion that is going to be held by a very, very, very small minority of our football fanbase. The majority of fans just want to win, without caring how the sausage is made, and they think that Bobby Petrino's offense is the shortest cut to being able to win. That's totally fine, and I don't begrudge anyone that mindset. It's just not the one that I am personally comfortable with. I care about character more than I care about winning. Winning is certainly important to me, but doing so with people who generally try to do it the right way is more so. I don't intend for that to be some haughty, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou statement- it's just how I personally feel, and I am comfortable with it, knowing that many others may disagree or differ.
 
^All valid and reasonable points.

I'm still OK with the hire since UNC needs a magician (Buck Sanders quote) next season to turn this offense around. No one outside of UNC (other than our hated rivals who'll hate us for anything we do) are going to think any less of us as a University for hiring Bobby Petrino as the offensive coordinator for our football team. BB needs to show significant improvement next season or he won't get his year 3.
 
" and interviewed for the Auburn job without Louisville's knowledge and with Auburn doing the interview secretly, as well, despite Tommy Tuberville still being employed."

I don't see why this is a problem. When I interview for new jobs i hide it from my current employer.
 
" and interviewed for the Auburn job without Louisville's knowledge and with Auburn doing the interview secretly, as well, despite Tommy Tuberville still being employed."

I don't see why this is a problem. When I interview for new jobs i hide it from my current employer.
I hope I never have an employment situation like that and certainly hope anyone who works for me never feels like they would need to do that.
 
" and interviewed for the Auburn job without Louisville's knowledge and with Auburn doing the interview secretly, as well, despite Tommy Tuberville still being employed."

I don't see why this is a problem. When I interview for new jobs i hide it from my current employer.
Same here. But it's extremely common practice for coaches and athletic directors to make one another aware that they are pursuing/being pursued/interviewing.

In this particular instance, Auburn's president and AD flew to Louisville to secretly interview Petrino **during the season** (two days before Auburn was to play Alabama in the Iron Bowl, and before Louisville was to play Kentucky) while they still had a head coach of their own and had not made any announcement or statement about intending to relieve him of his duties. Petrino did not make Louisville aware that he was interviewing. It was a really bad look for both sides, made even worse by the fact that Tuberville had been Petrino's boss the year before; ironically, Tuberville and Auburn then went 13-0 the next year. But Petrino has a long history of going around the backs of his bosses and angling/interviewing for jobs- most recently he did it to Jimbo Fisher at A&M thinking he could get the TAMU HC job, and rumor is he did it to Sam Pittman at Arkansas, too.

Point being, he's a chronically untrustworthy person, and not the kind of person a healthy football culture generally wants around.
 
It's actually very easy to argue with the appointment strictly on a professional basis without even taking into consideration any personal failings he may have had with adultery. He has a very sordid professional history of being dishonest, undependable, and a back stabber. He tried to leave Louisville after a single season in 2003 and interviewed for the Auburn job without Louisville's knowledge and with Auburn doing the interview secretly, as well, despite Tommy Tuberville still being employed. He left the Atlanta Falcons 13 games into his first season to take the Arkansas job after having personally promised Arthur Blank 24 hours prior that he was not leaving; he did not inform his staff or players at all. He lied to his employer at Arkansas about the hiring process that he illegally circumvented in order to hire his mistress, a 25-year-old Arkansas athletic department staff member, to be his personal assistant; he also lied to them about his mistress having been on the motorcycle with him when he crashed and it was only when a state police report was leaked did Arkansas find out. He left jobs at Western Kentucky after a single season and Missouri State after two seasons, both times without informing his staff and players. He took the OC job at UNLV and held it for 3 weeks before taking the Texas A&M OC job.

In short, it's not his personal conduct that I find unappealing about him. Well, I guess that's not entirely true- I personally find his adultery to be morally unbecoming, but I have the ability to completely separate his personal life shortcomings when evaluating him professionally. His professional behavior alone should be enough to give any self-respecting school or program pause when hiring him. Not only that, but it is nearly a unanimous notion among virtually every player or staffer across all teams that have worked with him or played with him over the years that he is a slimeball.

Speaking strictly in terms of his work as an offensive schemer and playcaller, there's no question he's been really good at what he does over the course of his career. And clearly he is being hired by UNC for the sole explicit purpose of manufacturing more offense. I understand the *why* of his hiring. I just don't agree with the *how*, if that makes sense. What I mean by that is, I do not like the idea of someone like Bobby Petrino, who is universally known as one of the biggest scumbags in the industry, to be a representative of my alma mater and of the football program from which I hold varsity letters. I do not like the idea of adding someone who has a long and sordid track record of causing major cultural and internal problems almost everywhere he's been, to an already chaotic environment with clear culture issues. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze.

Having said all of the above, I recognize that 1. my opinion is completely meaningless in the grand scheme, and 2. it's an opinion that is going to be held by a very, very, very small minority of our football fanbase. The majority of fans just want to win, without caring how the sausage is made, and they think that Bobby Petrino's offense is the shortest cut to being able to win. That's totally fine, and I don't begrudge anyone that mindset. It's just not the one that I am personally comfortable with. I care about character more than I care about winning. Winning is certainly important to me, but doing so with people who generally try to do it the right way is more so. I don't intend for that to be some haughty, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou statement- it's just how I personally feel, and I am comfortable with it, knowing that many others may disagree or differ.
I think this is a very good summary of the anti-Petrino view that goes beyond just "his side piece fell off his motorcycle!"

I agree with you in a lot of ways, especially what Petrino means about character component of the program.

On the other hand, if you're gonna sell your soul to the devil, there's no reason to only sell a part of it.

I think my ambivalence/apathy about hiring someone like Petrino says as much about my feelings about the entire Belichick experiment as anything else.
 
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