UNC Men’s Basketball 2025-2026

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“… Ginyard will also play a key role in community engagement and planning efforts for the future development of Carolina North, working closely with University and community partners to advance shared priorities.…”

👀 new stadium location?
 
rodoheel said:
If no coach was ever fired until the school had a "shoo-in" replacement ready to replace them, then almost no coach would be fired. That's not the standard man. I don't know who would replace Hubert. But if we have five years of evidence that Hubert isn't the guy, it's time to make the next attempt at finding the guy. That's how it goes.

I'm not sure you mean it this way, but what you're saying sounds almost indistinguishable from "UNC should accept that it's no longer an elite program, and stop trying to be one again." I have a lot of sympathy for the idea that a lot of UNC fans were completely spoiled by the success that Dean and Roy had - and that it's not necessarily realistic to expect UNC to get back to having runs like it did from 1982-1993 or 2005-2009 - but I don't think there's any doubt that we should be striving to be a consistently better program than the one we've been for the past five years. You can acknowledge that the days of nearly annual 1 seeds and Sweet 16s aren't coming back and still have a standard for the program that Hubert hasn't met.
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What I’m saying is, for anyone who wants to cling to the glory days, HD is the only viable answer IMO. And he is only an answer if old standards are relaxed, to boot. Because every other coach in the country from Izzo to Few to our guy Wes Miller is scrambling to counter the SEC (and dook) war chests and somehow keep their programs together. Some guys like Hurley and Sampson are having more luck than others. But there is a lot more luck and money involved in influencing these outcomes than old school recruiting and coaching. Roy wanted out. Jay Wright wanted out. Bill Self wants out. Yet some of you guys act like nothing has changed in the landscape except the L column.

Now, if we’re all willing to put aside “UNC standards” and just admit that what is *truly* desired when you talk about those things is actually a “championship winning team, at the expense of UNC tradition and standards if necessary…” then that’s different. Just go after a guy like Hurley and take your shot at it (if anyone wants the job, that is). I wouldn’t stick around for that. But I’m sure others would.

But then let’s call it what it is. Because as HD’s struggles have shown, these traditional values simply don’t coexist well in this landscape. It’s threading a needle to try to have both, which is what you all are demanding, and is what HD has been tasked with.

Personally, I’d always rather be a middling team the right way than a winning team the wrong way. But it’s clear not everyone even sees far enough down the road to understand what an inflection point this would be. Sea change.
 
nycfan said:


Key detail:

“… Ginyard will also play a key role in community engagement and planning efforts for the future development of Carolina North, working closely with University and community partners to advance shared priorities.…”

👀 new stadium location?
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Marcus has been working in commercial real estate since his playing days ended and he understands what UNC is all about. Plus he's just a great guy, so he's an excellent choice to help guide development of the new arena and adjacent projects.
 
duluoz said:
Personally, I’d always rather be a middling team the right way than a winning team the wrong way. But it’s clear not everyone even sees far enough down the road to understand what an inflection point this would be. Sea change.
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Eh. I think that's the perspective of someone who has never rooted for a middling college BB program. No offense, but we've never had to stare at persistent mediocrity. Except in football. And do you really want basketball to be like football, so long as it's "the right way"? I'm skeptical.

Also, middling teams tend to lose fan interest, and then they stop being fun to watch. And if they aren't fun to watch, then who gives a fuck? It's an entertainment product.

The problem is that most of the "right way" stuff is unobservable on the court. It's behind the scenes. Meaning that it is really hard to value for any length of time.
 
duluoz said:
The CBB world is floundering. That’s plain to see. It’s a race to the bottom, and Danny Hurley is in the lead.
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it is not a vintage era. very much in-flux.

we can still do better. i thought we'd turned a corner after 2024 but alas, last year was not good enough.
 
duluoz said:
What I’m saying is, for anyone who wants to cling to the glory days, HD is the only viable answer IMO. And he is only an answer if old standards are relaxed, to boot. Because every other coach in the country from Izzo to Few to our guy Wes Miller is scrambling to counter the SEC (and dook) war chests and somehow keep their programs together. Some guys like Hurley and Sampson are having more luck than others. But there is a lot more luck and money involved in influencing these outcomes than old school recruiting and coaching. Roy wanted out. Jay Wright wanted out. Bill Self wants out. Yet some of you guys act like nothing has changed in the landscape except the L column.

Now, if we’re all willing to put aside “UNC standards” and just admit that what is *truly* desired when you talk about those things is actually a “championship winning team, at the expense of UNC tradition and standards if necessary…” then that’s different. Just go after a guy like Hurley and take your shot at it (if anyone wants the job, that is). I wouldn’t stick around for that. But I’m sure others would.

But then let’s call it what it is. Because as HD’s struggles have shown, these traditional values simply don’t coexist well in this landscape. It’s threading a needle to try to have both, which is what you all are demanding, and is what HD has been tasked with.

Personally, I’d always rather be a middling team the right way than a winning team the wrong way. But it’s clear not everyone even sees far enough down the road to understand what an inflection point this would be. Sea change.
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This really is the choice we face. But even just to state it is to acknowledge that the Carolina Way is dead. Hopefully we can continue to find high-integrity players, but that might never produce championship teams.
 
duluoz said:
What I’m saying is, for anyone who wants to cling to the glory days, HD is the only viable answer IMO. And he is only an answer if old standards are relaxed, to boot. Because every other coach in the country from Izzo to Few to our guy Wes Miller is scrambling to counter the SEC (and dook) war chests and somehow keep their programs together. Some guys like Hurley and Sampson are having more luck than others. But there is a lot more luck and money involved in influencing these outcomes than old school recruiting and coaching. Roy wanted out. Jay Wright wanted out. Bill Self wants out. Yet some of you guys act like nothing has changed in the landscape except the L column.

Now, if we’re all willing to put aside “UNC standards” and just admit that what is *truly* desired when you talk about those things is actually a “championship winning team, at the expense of UNC tradition and standards if necessary…” then that’s different. Just go after a guy like Hurley and take your shot at it (if anyone wants the job, that is). I wouldn’t stick around for that. But I’m sure others would.

But then let’s call it what it is. Because as HD’s struggles have shown, these traditional values simply don’t coexist well in this landscape. It’s threading a needle to try to have both, which is what you all are demanding, and is what HD has been tasked with.

Personally, I’d always rather be a middling team the right way than a winning team the wrong way. But it’s clear not everyone even sees far enough down the road to understand what an inflection point this would be. Sea change.
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So you’re saying that the only way for UNC to win the “right way” is with HD? That makes no sense.
 
duluoz said:
What I’m saying is, for anyone who wants to cling to the glory days, HD is the only viable answer IMO. And he is only an answer if old standards are relaxed, to boot. Because every other coach in the country from Izzo to Few to our guy Wes Miller is scrambling to counter the SEC (and dook) war chests and somehow keep their programs together. Some guys like Hurley and Sampson are having more luck than others. But there is a lot more luck and money involved in influencing these outcomes than old school recruiting and coaching. Roy wanted out. Jay Wright wanted out. Bill Self wants out. Yet some of you guys act like nothing has changed in the landscape except the L column.

Now, if we’re all willing to put aside “UNC standards” and just admit that what is *truly* desired when you talk about those things is actually a “championship winning team, at the expense of UNC tradition and standards if necessary…” then that’s different. Just go after a guy like Hurley and take your shot at it (if anyone wants the job, that is). I wouldn’t stick around for that. But I’m sure others would.

But then let’s call it what it is. Because as HD’s struggles have shown, these traditional values simply don’t coexist well in this landscape. It’s threading a needle to try to have both, which is what you all are demanding, and is what HD has been tasked with.

Personally, I’d always rather be a middling team the right way than a winning team the wrong way. But it’s clear not everyone even sees far enough down the road to understand what an inflection point this would be. Sea change.
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What are the "traditional values" and "standards" you see as critical to our program, and how is Hubert upholding them? Do you just mean it's of utmost importance to you to have a member of the Carolina "family" as the coach? Or if it's more than that, what is it? Personally, I think that on-court excellence is a big part of whatever you want to call UNC "tradition" and that without it, whatever values you think are important will fall away. No one cares about a program that doesn't win anything.

I don't think anyone is acting "like nothing has changed in the landscape." I think everyone acknowledges the landscape is different and more challenging than it used to be. But it almost sounds like you are saying we should try to play under the rules that existed 10 years ago rather than adapting to the new landscape. You can hate what college bball has become, but the fact that it's changed means that UNC has to change, too, if we want to continue to be a great program.
 
finesse said:
This. Rebuilding virtually from scratch with a whole new operating procedure in an entirely new basketball environment is going to be a pretty major challenge for a lot of teams. I'd understand that POV IF all that wasn't happening. Since it is and with the connections to UNC traditions that Hubert, imo, gives us the best chance of maintaining, I think a little more patience than normal is justified.
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I was joking, poking at the fans here who said those of us expecting better than mediocrity were spoiled. I think we've been tolerant enough, and HD/staff have done little to show they're the right ones to lead our program. Hopefully that changes this year, if not, it's time to move on.
 
rodoheel said:
You can hate what college bball has become, but the fact that it's changed means that UNC has to change, too, if we want to continue to be a great program.
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This. Or to put it another way, maybe college bball isn't the right choice for some of us. Lest anyone think this a putdown, I'm example #1. I'm losing interest in the team and the program -- and the overall landscape in college hoops-- because the end product is so homogenized now. I don't know who is on what team, what teams are supposed to be good and why, because there's no consistency. It takes too much effort just to be conversant in the basics.
 
superrific said:
This. Or to put it another way, maybe college bball isn't the right choice for some of us. Lest anyone think this a putdown, I'm example #1. I'm losing interest in the team and the program -- and the overall landscape in college hoops-- because the end product is so homogenized now. I don't know who is on what team, what teams are supposed to be good and why, because there's no consistency. It takes too much effort just to be conversant in the basics.
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Same here. Players transferring every year is a huge problem and needs to be fixed. If they are going to pay them then make them have contracts that make it so they can't jump to a new school every year.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Doherty got forced out after three seasons for two primary reasons: (1) most of the players hated playing for him (and their families didn’t like him) and they were threatening to leave, and (2) the athletic department knew they had Roy waiting n the wings. In all likelihood, had the players liked playing for Doherty, he would have kept his job. He brought in a lot of talent and based on that, by itself, thee was good reason to broomstick about the near future.
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Doherty was also cutting a pretty deep path in town...of hatefulness. He was increasingly disliked all over...from the local Catholic School to the Dry Cleaners.
 
The way I see it is this:
When you hire a new college coach, that coach automatically has three seasons to show what they can do (with some rare exceptions). So when Davis was hired he had at least three seasons, or through the 2024 season.

After reaching the national championship in 2022, he earned an additional season. So he then had through the 2025 season.

2023 was bad and earned him no additional seasons, so he still had through the 2025 season.

2024 was really good and earned him an another additional season. So that gave him through at least 2026.

2025 was relatively bad so he earned no additional seasons beyond 2026. And here we are. He’s coaching to earn at least one more season. Significant success, like reaching a Final Four or better after a strong regular season, can earn him more.
 
donbosco said:
Doherty was also cutting a pretty deep path in town...of hatefulness. He was increasingly disliked all over...from the local Catholic School to the Dry Cleaners.
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Re the Catholic School...my Sources (lol) say when he got here he demanded the kids from the new basketball staff get to the top of the waiting list for entry......
 
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