UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Charlotte1204 said:
Right? Two years ago they were dead in the water. They won maybe two or three games? Last year was a little bit better. But Pat Kelsey has come in and turned that program in months. His kids seems to be buying in. I thought they might hit a setback when they lost the big kid with the ACL back near the beginning of the season, but they regrouped and seem to be rolling along. From an outsider's point of view, it just seems like good energy.
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I don't want to give PK too much credit. Great job of building a roster from scratch but not sure he's innovated that much. They looked very poor when shots weren't falling early season and defensively are still not good

Hepburn is playing at a high level and their second scorer (who played for PK at COFC) is shooting 40% from 3PA on 10 attempts a game. Definite credit for getting his guys/players suited for what he wants to accomplish though. With few exceptions HD hasn't done that
 
Charlotte1204 said:
And Louisville has an entirely new team that's now ranked and beat the brakes off of SMU last night. Think about where that program has been the last two years.
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Better bring in some good analytics guys and figure out the formula for next season.
 
CFordUNC said:
Entirely possible but I still don't think that's *quite* all it is. I'd think that I would still feel....something... besides rampant apathy. My wife and kid (soon to be plural) and my career are way more important to me than college sports outcomes, of course, but they don't preclude me from being able to feel a (healthy) amount of frustration or disappointment when my favorite team loses. And I don't even muster that anymore. I really think it is primarily that college sports have evolved into a guardrails-less Wild West so quickly that makes it unenjoyable for me.
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1. I agree that college sports has become entirely unappealing. The key to rooting for a team is to like the players on the team. When you don't even know who the fuck is on the team as late as the start of the season, and when mercenaries are coming in for one year before going pro, it's just not what it was.

My parents are Dookies and had season tickets for 35 years. A few years ago, pre-pandemic I think, they gave up their season tickets because they got tired of the one-and-dones. They wanted to know the players; they wanted to think of them as Dukies, not guys hitting a rest stop on the way to the pros. Now all of college BB is like that.

2. But don't discount the exhaustion factor. You approach politics in much the same way as you approach sports. You were, I'm pretty sure, the biggest trash-talker on the board last fall. Nothing wrong with that. It's not my approach (I'm more of a subtle wit/incisive comment guy) but so what. Well, the political season went on for a very long time -- longer than most sports seasons. You were extremely invested. And our team lost.

So now basketball season comes along, and HD has basically rolled out the NCAAM version of Kamala's campaign. It's hastily assembled. It has an unshakeable weakness. RJ has been Biden at the debate, except we can't move on from him. It's depressing. It feels as if fate has a vendetta against us. So it's natural to tune out.

3. I think people tend to lose enthusiasm for team sports when they get older. In part, that can come from not playing. I used to play all through law school, but I rarely touched a basketball after my clerkship in DC (where I used to play with my Olympic athlete girlfriend, who was both amazing in her tenacity and technique but far too willing to bite on fakes. Never get involved with a woman who constantly leaves her feet on a pump fake). And I gradually lost interest. Cutting out cable sure doesn't help, because I don't get a lot of the games and end up watching the replays on Youtube. of course, part of the reason that I cut the cable is that I wasn't watching it very much.
 
superrific said:
1. I agree that college sports has become entirely unappealing. The key to rooting for a team is to like the players on the team. When you don't even know who the fuck is on the team as late as the start of the season, and when mercenaries are coming in for one year before going pro, it's just not what it was.

My parents are Dookies and had season tickets for 35 years. A few years ago, pre-pandemic I think, they gave up their season tickets because they got tired of the one-and-dones. They wanted to know the players; they wanted to think of them as Dukies, not guys hitting a rest stop on the way to the pros. Now all of college BB is like that.

2. But don't discount the exhaustion factor. You approach politics in much the same way as you approach sports. You were, I'm pretty sure, the biggest trash-talker on the board last fall. Nothing wrong with that. It's not my approach (I'm more of a subtle wit/incisive comment guy) but so what. Well, the political season went on for a very long time -- longer than most sports seasons. You were extremely invested. And our team lost.

So now basketball season comes along, and HD has basically rolled out the NCAAM version of Kamala's campaign. It's hastily assembled. It has an unshakeable weakness. RJ has been Biden at the debate, except we can't move on from him. It's depressing. It feels as if fate has a vendetta against us. So it's natural to tune out.

3. I think people tend to lose enthusiasm for team sports when they get older. In part, that can come from not playing. I used to play all through law school, but I rarely touched a basketball after my clerkship in DC (where I used to play with my Olympic athlete girlfriend, who was both amazing in her tenacity and technique but far too willing to bite on fakes. Never get involved with a woman who constantly leaves her feet on a pump fake). And I gradually lost interest. Cutting out cable sure doesn't help, because I don't get a lot of the games and end up watching the replays on Youtube. of course, part of the reason that I cut the cable is that I wasn't watching it very much.
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I think all of that is very valid. Good points, all!

Regarding being the biggest trash-talker on the board during election season, though, I'll still wear that one happily and won't hesitate to let the board Trumpers have it with both barrels whenever they deserve. If all it took was my team losing to a hated rival get me to shut up, my Carolina Football fandom would never have survived being owned by NC State for virtually my entire existence as a Carolina fan! :cool:
 
CFordUNC said:
I think all of that is very valid. Good points, all!

Regarding being the biggest trash-talker on the board during election season, though, I'll still wear that one happily and won't hesitate to let the board Trumpers have it with both barrels whenever they deserve. If all it took was my team losing to a hated rival get me to shut up, my Carolina Football fandom would never have survived being owned by NC State for virtually my entire existence as a Carolina fan! :cool:
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It is mind-boggling to me that the NCAA hasn't even tried to set up any regulations for NIL or scholarships. Cal thinks that would violate antitrust laws, but I really don't think so. Every sports league in the world uses contracts to control player movement, and virtually every sports league in the world uses regulations to control the form of contracts. For instance, La Liga requires every player be given a minimum fee release clause. Various EU sports leagues have restrictions on the number of non-EU players on each team. Champions League in football requires at least 8 players to be home grown.

It is inherent in the nature of sporting leagues for the teams to agree on the rules of the game. Not just the on-court or on-field rules, but the terms of competition as well. The Supreme Court recognized as much in a case that is still binding precedent.

The NCAA must have the same attorneys who are advising Oracle to keep providing internet service to TikTok.
 
superrific said:
It is mind-boggling to me that the NCAA hasn't even tried to set up any regulations for NIL or scholarships. Cal thinks that would violate antitrust laws, but I really don't think so. Every sports league in the world uses contracts to control player movement, and virtually every sports league in the world uses regulations to control the form of contracts. For instance, La Liga requires every player be given a minimum fee release clause. Various EU sports leagues have restrictions on the number of non-EU players on each team. Champions League in football requires at least 8 players to be home grown.

It is inherent in the nature of sporting leagues for the teams to agree on the rules of the game. Not just the on-court or on-field rules, but the terms of competition as well. The Supreme Court recognized as much in a case that is still binding precedent.

The NCAA must have the same attorneys who are advising Oracle to keep providing internet service to TikTok.
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Seems to me like a movement outrunning regulation. I expect a lot of tinkering for the next 5-10 years to get something we can live with until the next big change.

Look at it this way. We had to screw up the Articles of Confederation to get the Constitution and it lasted until just recently.
 
finesse said:
Seems to me like a movement outrunning regulation. I expect a lot of tinkering for the next 5-10 years to get something we can live with until the next big change.

Look at it this way. We had to screw up the Articles of Confederation to get the Constitution and it lasted until just recently.
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Well, since you mention confederation:

The first thing the NCAA needs to do is restore all the conferences to where they were in, say, 2000. Or 1990. Back when they were conferences. If football just has to be a pro league where everyone plays everyone, then do it for football. There is no reason to weaken all the sports.

It's not only that we don't know the players. We don't even know who we are playing anymore. I started following ACC sports rather passionately when I was 8. I used to know all the teams, and all the players on those teams, and their histories. Now I can still name all the teams, but it takes me a minute to remember them all. And I simply don't give a flying fuck about SMU or Cal or even BC. Those are make work games.

It's hard to keep a fan base impassioned when nobody gives a fuck about the teams involved. When we play Pitt or SMU I feel nothing. Why should I?
 
If the players are going to be paid then they need to be under contracts to keep them from going to a different school every year. The original Power 5 schools should just form their own megaconference with everyone under the same roof and divided into smaller regions like the pros. There were 65 schools when you count Notre Dame in with the original Power 5 schools. It could be divided into 8 regions with 8 teams each and 1 region having 9 teams with Notre Dame.
 
Can't relate to the woe is me UNC fans. Basketball is the only sport I still watch or care about (UNC or otherwise)

Disappointing season for sure but not completely out of left field. The true disappointment was the off season
 
It is amazing how many players come into the program and lose or never gain the ability to shoot

As much as I love what Seth brings to the table on defense and in transition his inability to create or shoot really limits the offense and the pairing next to other non-shooters is dreadful

If HD is going to continue to run the type of offense he has been he HAS to find better shooters
 
superrific said:
It is mind-boggling to me that the NCAA hasn't even tried to set up any regulations for NIL or scholarships. Cal thinks that would violate antitrust laws, but I really don't think so. Every sports league in the world uses contracts to control player movement, and virtually every sports league in the world uses regulations to control the form of contracts. For instance, La Liga requires every player be given a minimum fee release clause. Various EU sports leagues have restrictions on the number of non-EU players on each team. Champions League in football requires at least 8 players to be home grown.

It is inherent in the nature of sporting leagues for the teams to agree on the rules of the game. Not just the on-court or on-field rules, but the terms of competition as well. The Supreme Court recognized as much in a case that is still binding precedent.

The NCAA must have the same attorneys who are advising Oracle to keep providing internet service to TikTok.
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I won’t comment on international soccer as that doesn’t relate to US laws that govern American sports.

For everything else in the US, the key is that every significant pro sports league has a player union that agrees to a collective bargaining agreement. Without that, all the other leagues would have similar chaos to college sports & NIL.

For whatever reason, college presidents (who ultimately represent their colleges to the NCAA and determine the NCAA rules) are loath to admit the players are employees so that the players can create a union and collectively bargain. I don’t think there is a simple reason for this, instead different schools at different levels have different reasons, but the takeaway has been that there’s little movement on the NCAA side to take this needed step. And without the NCAA pushing for it, the players are no longer interested as they now largely have the power. And without a union & CBA, there is little the NCAA can do concerning rules regarding NIL & transfers.

I do think that eventually the NCAA (or some other collective of colleges regarding athletics) will end up admitting the players are employees leading to a union & CBA. The unknowns are how long it will take, who ends up at what levels, and the chaos we’ll all have to endure to get there.
 
The 3 guard line up isn't working. Hubert has to figure something out... fast. I think Cadeau and Jackson should start with Drake/Tyson at the 3. Bring RJ and Seth off the bench.
 
Heelsandeers said:
It is amazing how many players come into the program and lose or never gain the ability to shoot

As much as I love what Seth brings to the table on defense and in transition his inability to create or shoot really limits the offense and the pairing next to other non-shooters is dreadful

If HD is going to continue to run the type of offense he has been he HAS to find better shooters
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It’s a bit of a chicken-egg dilemma, but is it that we have all poor shooters or that our system does nothing to get good looks for the shooters we have?
 
Heelsandeers said:
It is amazing how many players come into the program and lose or never gain the ability to shoot

As much as I love what Seth brings to the table on defense and in transition his inability to create or shoot really limits the offense and the pairing next to other non-shooters is dreadful

If HD is going to continue to run the type of offense he has been he HAS to find better shooters
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Who is the shooting coach?
 
SnoopRob said:
It’s a bit of a chicken-egg dilemma, but is it that we have all poor shooters or that our system does nothing to get good looks for the shooters we have?
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IIRC the 2022-2023 team rated some ridiculously low percentile from corner 3's which are a staple look in HD's offense and the easiest shots to make

Think shots going to Leaky, Nance, Puff, Dunn, etc mostly off drive and kicks or when the help side defender leaves his man to defend the roller. I'd say those are usually pretty good looks but there has to be more to it

Cue this season with a slightly better shooting team but one even more reliant on it due to size and rebounding and well...

farce© said:
Who is the shooting coach?
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Is it Hubert? lol Not sure to be honest but apparently having great shooters on the staff doesn't help
 
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