UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Turd Ferguson said:
Yeah, crazy how Louisville can turn the program around like that in just 2 years and Carolina is struggling now.
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Right? Two years ago they were dead in the water. They won maybe two or three games? Last year was a little bit better. But Pat Kelsey has come in and turned that program in months. His kids seems to be buying in. I thought they might hit a setback when they lost the big kid with the ACL back near the beginning of the season, but they regrouped and seem to be rolling along. From an outsider's point of view, it just seems like good energy.
 
Bigs23 said:
The state of the game contributes to that but it probably has more to do with 12-8.
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It's possible that it has to do with 12-8 but I don't think so, at least not for me personally. I've followed a whole lot of pedestrian, painfully mediocre UNC sports seasons (well, mainly football but men's basketball has certainly had its share over the last 8 years) with a lot more energy, passion, and enthusiasm (and thus, disappointment and frustration when we lose) than I am these days.
 
CFordUNC said:
It's possible that it has to do with 12-8 but I don't think so, at least not for me personally. I've followed a whole lot of pedestrian, painfully mediocre UNC sports seasons (well, mainly football but men's basketball has certainly had its share over the last 8 years) with a lot more energy, passion, and enthusiasm (and thus, disappointment and frustration when we lose) than I am these days.
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Maybe it’s just where you are in life.
 
Bigs23 said:
Maybe it’s just where you are in life.
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Entirely possible but I still don't think that's *quite* all it is. I'd think that I would still feel....something... besides rampant apathy. My wife and kid (soon to be plural) and my career are way more important to me than college sports outcomes, of course, but they don't preclude me from being able to feel a (healthy) amount of frustration or disappointment when my favorite team loses. And I don't even muster that anymore. I really think it is primarily that college sports have evolved into a guardrails-less Wild West so quickly that makes it unenjoyable for me.
 
CFordUNC said:
Entirely possible but I still don't think that's *quite* all it is. I'd think that I would still feel....something... besides rampant apathy. My wife and kid (soon to be plural) and my career are way more important to me than college sports outcomes, of course, but they don't preclude me from being able to feel a (healthy) amount of frustration or disappointment when my favorite team loses. And I don't even muster that anymore. I really think it is primarily that college sports have evolved into a guardrails-less Wild West so quickly that makes it unenjoyable for me.
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Yeah, this new world order is going to lose some folks.

The fans of the teams benefiting the most are going to love it.
 
CFordUNC said:
Entirely possible but I still don't think that's *quite* all it is. I'd think that I would still feel....something... besides rampant apathy. My wife and kid (soon to be plural) and my career are way more important to me than college sports outcomes, of course, but they don't preclude me from being able to feel a (healthy) amount of frustration or disappointment when my favorite team loses. And I don't even muster that anymore. I really think it is primarily that college sports have evolved into a guardrails-less Wild West so quickly that makes it unenjoyable for me.
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That's a lot of it for me. I don't like the way sports and entertainment seem to be combining. I also have no idea how the game of basketball is called anymore. Until 5-10 years, I about halfway understood the changes they made and the why. Now, I have no idea how or why things are called like they are. I can't believe the amount of contact on every play or how notional it seems how and which way it gets called.
 
TarSpiel said:
Makes me respect the state fans even more, who show up game in, game out, year after year, to cheer for mediocrity.
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Kinda.

I lose a good bit of the respect I'd otherwise have when you realize how angry and demented it makes them.
 
Charlotte1204 said:
Right? Two years ago they were dead in the water. They won maybe two or three games? Last year was a little bit better. But Pat Kelsey has come in and turned that program in months. His kids seems to be buying in. I thought they might hit a setback when they lost the big kid with the ACL back near the beginning of the season, but they regrouped and seem to be rolling along. From an outsider's point of view, it just seems like good energy.
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I don't want to give PK too much credit. Great job of building a roster from scratch but not sure he's innovated that much. They looked very poor when shots weren't falling early season and defensively are still not good

Hepburn is playing at a high level and their second scorer (who played for PK at COFC) is shooting 40% from 3PA on 10 attempts a game. Definite credit for getting his guys/players suited for what he wants to accomplish though. With few exceptions HD hasn't done that
 
Charlotte1204 said:
And Louisville has an entirely new team that's now ranked and beat the brakes off of SMU last night. Think about where that program has been the last two years.
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Better bring in some good analytics guys and figure out the formula for next season.
 
CFordUNC said:
Entirely possible but I still don't think that's *quite* all it is. I'd think that I would still feel....something... besides rampant apathy. My wife and kid (soon to be plural) and my career are way more important to me than college sports outcomes, of course, but they don't preclude me from being able to feel a (healthy) amount of frustration or disappointment when my favorite team loses. And I don't even muster that anymore. I really think it is primarily that college sports have evolved into a guardrails-less Wild West so quickly that makes it unenjoyable for me.
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1. I agree that college sports has become entirely unappealing. The key to rooting for a team is to like the players on the team. When you don't even know who the fuck is on the team as late as the start of the season, and when mercenaries are coming in for one year before going pro, it's just not what it was.

My parents are Dookies and had season tickets for 35 years. A few years ago, pre-pandemic I think, they gave up their season tickets because they got tired of the one-and-dones. They wanted to know the players; they wanted to think of them as Dukies, not guys hitting a rest stop on the way to the pros. Now all of college BB is like that.

2. But don't discount the exhaustion factor. You approach politics in much the same way as you approach sports. You were, I'm pretty sure, the biggest trash-talker on the board last fall. Nothing wrong with that. It's not my approach (I'm more of a subtle wit/incisive comment guy) but so what. Well, the political season went on for a very long time -- longer than most sports seasons. You were extremely invested. And our team lost.

So now basketball season comes along, and HD has basically rolled out the NCAAM version of Kamala's campaign. It's hastily assembled. It has an unshakeable weakness. RJ has been Biden at the debate, except we can't move on from him. It's depressing. It feels as if fate has a vendetta against us. So it's natural to tune out.

3. I think people tend to lose enthusiasm for team sports when they get older. In part, that can come from not playing. I used to play all through law school, but I rarely touched a basketball after my clerkship in DC (where I used to play with my Olympic athlete girlfriend, who was both amazing in her tenacity and technique but far too willing to bite on fakes. Never get involved with a woman who constantly leaves her feet on a pump fake). And I gradually lost interest. Cutting out cable sure doesn't help, because I don't get a lot of the games and end up watching the replays on Youtube. of course, part of the reason that I cut the cable is that I wasn't watching it very much.
 
superrific said:
1. I agree that college sports has become entirely unappealing. The key to rooting for a team is to like the players on the team. When you don't even know who the fuck is on the team as late as the start of the season, and when mercenaries are coming in for one year before going pro, it's just not what it was.

My parents are Dookies and had season tickets for 35 years. A few years ago, pre-pandemic I think, they gave up their season tickets because they got tired of the one-and-dones. They wanted to know the players; they wanted to think of them as Dukies, not guys hitting a rest stop on the way to the pros. Now all of college BB is like that.

2. But don't discount the exhaustion factor. You approach politics in much the same way as you approach sports. You were, I'm pretty sure, the biggest trash-talker on the board last fall. Nothing wrong with that. It's not my approach (I'm more of a subtle wit/incisive comment guy) but so what. Well, the political season went on for a very long time -- longer than most sports seasons. You were extremely invested. And our team lost.

So now basketball season comes along, and HD has basically rolled out the NCAAM version of Kamala's campaign. It's hastily assembled. It has an unshakeable weakness. RJ has been Biden at the debate, except we can't move on from him. It's depressing. It feels as if fate has a vendetta against us. So it's natural to tune out.

3. I think people tend to lose enthusiasm for team sports when they get older. In part, that can come from not playing. I used to play all through law school, but I rarely touched a basketball after my clerkship in DC (where I used to play with my Olympic athlete girlfriend, who was both amazing in her tenacity and technique but far too willing to bite on fakes. Never get involved with a woman who constantly leaves her feet on a pump fake). And I gradually lost interest. Cutting out cable sure doesn't help, because I don't get a lot of the games and end up watching the replays on Youtube. of course, part of the reason that I cut the cable is that I wasn't watching it very much.
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I think all of that is very valid. Good points, all!

Regarding being the biggest trash-talker on the board during election season, though, I'll still wear that one happily and won't hesitate to let the board Trumpers have it with both barrels whenever they deserve. If all it took was my team losing to a hated rival get me to shut up, my Carolina Football fandom would never have survived being owned by NC State for virtually my entire existence as a Carolina fan! :cool:
 
CFordUNC said:
I think all of that is very valid. Good points, all!

Regarding being the biggest trash-talker on the board during election season, though, I'll still wear that one happily and won't hesitate to let the board Trumpers have it with both barrels whenever they deserve. If all it took was my team losing to a hated rival get me to shut up, my Carolina Football fandom would never have survived being owned by NC State for virtually my entire existence as a Carolina fan! :cool:
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It is mind-boggling to me that the NCAA hasn't even tried to set up any regulations for NIL or scholarships. Cal thinks that would violate antitrust laws, but I really don't think so. Every sports league in the world uses contracts to control player movement, and virtually every sports league in the world uses regulations to control the form of contracts. For instance, La Liga requires every player be given a minimum fee release clause. Various EU sports leagues have restrictions on the number of non-EU players on each team. Champions League in football requires at least 8 players to be home grown.

It is inherent in the nature of sporting leagues for the teams to agree on the rules of the game. Not just the on-court or on-field rules, but the terms of competition as well. The Supreme Court recognized as much in a case that is still binding precedent.

The NCAA must have the same attorneys who are advising Oracle to keep providing internet service to TikTok.
 
superrific said:
It is mind-boggling to me that the NCAA hasn't even tried to set up any regulations for NIL or scholarships. Cal thinks that would violate antitrust laws, but I really don't think so. Every sports league in the world uses contracts to control player movement, and virtually every sports league in the world uses regulations to control the form of contracts. For instance, La Liga requires every player be given a minimum fee release clause. Various EU sports leagues have restrictions on the number of non-EU players on each team. Champions League in football requires at least 8 players to be home grown.

It is inherent in the nature of sporting leagues for the teams to agree on the rules of the game. Not just the on-court or on-field rules, but the terms of competition as well. The Supreme Court recognized as much in a case that is still binding precedent.

The NCAA must have the same attorneys who are advising Oracle to keep providing internet service to TikTok.
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Seems to me like a movement outrunning regulation. I expect a lot of tinkering for the next 5-10 years to get something we can live with until the next big change.

Look at it this way. We had to screw up the Articles of Confederation to get the Constitution and it lasted until just recently.
 
finesse said:
Seems to me like a movement outrunning regulation. I expect a lot of tinkering for the next 5-10 years to get something we can live with until the next big change.

Look at it this way. We had to screw up the Articles of Confederation to get the Constitution and it lasted until just recently.
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Well, since you mention confederation:

The first thing the NCAA needs to do is restore all the conferences to where they were in, say, 2000. Or 1990. Back when they were conferences. If football just has to be a pro league where everyone plays everyone, then do it for football. There is no reason to weaken all the sports.

It's not only that we don't know the players. We don't even know who we are playing anymore. I started following ACC sports rather passionately when I was 8. I used to know all the teams, and all the players on those teams, and their histories. Now I can still name all the teams, but it takes me a minute to remember them all. And I simply don't give a flying fuck about SMU or Cal or even BC. Those are make work games.

It's hard to keep a fan base impassioned when nobody gives a fuck about the teams involved. When we play Pitt or SMU I feel nothing. Why should I?
 
If the players are going to be paid then they need to be under contracts to keep them from going to a different school every year. The original Power 5 schools should just form their own megaconference with everyone under the same roof and divided into smaller regions like the pros. There were 65 schools when you count Notre Dame in with the original Power 5 schools. It could be divided into 8 regions with 8 teams each and 1 region having 9 teams with Notre Dame.
 
Can't relate to the woe is me UNC fans. Basketball is the only sport I still watch or care about (UNC or otherwise)

Disappointing season for sure but not completely out of left field. The true disappointment was the off season
 
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