UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Y’all keep wringing your hands, but it ain’t the X’s and O’s It’s the Jimmys and Joes.

I’ve read all of your poasts, and I get it. I really do. It's frustrating - and it has been frustrating since Roy's last 2 years. Although we can all admit last year (reg season champs) - and the FF run/K dashing a couple of years ago - was fun as hell!
But it is frustrating for a fan base like UNC to have to weather storms of "the bubble" or not "getting a big from the Portal"; Or not making the NCAAT at all... it sux no doubt.

However, I’ve also listened to all of the podcasts from former players like Joel Berry, Theo, Justin, Raymond, Etc.
I've decided I’ll side with them. I’ll side with Sean, Marcus, Lebo, Coach Davis…

We missed on a portal big. Duh.

Offense? Offense scores plenty - 82.5 per game - good for #20 in the Nation. So, please don't argue about our shooting %'s or how we "stand around and go one v. one all the time". Listen to Theo - he said: "Offense? Under Roy? Secondary Break and Freelance, that was it. Hubert runs way more offense than Roy ever did!" I'll believe Theo, not you guys. Sorry.

It's not the offense, it's the defense and rebounding. And both of those things are "effort" related, along with having some height to guard folks, change the trajectory of shots and to get rebounds.

We're "short" at every position - and did I say we missed on a big?

Finally, we don't have any leaders on the floor or in the locker room. Nary a one. The coaches can try to motivate and encourage all they want, but you need those guys who are actually wearing the jersey to lead - either by example or vocally in the huddle. That person is supposed to be RJ - but that's not in his nature. RJ is the one who needs to take a charge (take a charge, along with "take charge"); he needs to box out and throw an elbow; get in a teammate's face (the way Jordan would with the Bulls). RJ needs to be the one, who after dropping the perfect dime to a teammate - who then fumbles the ball away or misses the dunk - RJ needs to be the one to get in their grill and say: "Man, I'm not throwing you the ball anymore if you're going to do that crap!" These are the types of things a team leader would do. It's tough love, but it needs to happen and it needs to come from someone wearing a jersey.
 
Centerpiece said:
Y’all keep wringing your hands, but it ain’t the X’s and O’s It’s the Jimmys and Joes.

I’ve read all of your poasts, and I get it. I really do. It's frustrating - and it has been frustrating since Roy's last 2 years. Although we can all admit last year (reg season champs) - and the FF run/K dashing a couple of years ago - was fun as hell!
But it is frustrating for a fan base like UNC to have to weather storms of "the bubble" or not "getting a big from the Portal"; Or not making the NCAAT at all... it sux no doubt.

However, I’ve also listened to all of the podcasts from former players like Joel Berry, Theo, Justin, Raymond, Etc.
I've decided I’ll side with them. I’ll side with Sean, Marcus, Lebo, Coach Davis…

We missed on a portal big. Duh.

Offense? Offense scores plenty - 82.5 per game - good for #20 in the Nation. So, please don't argue about our shooting %'s or how we "stand around and go one v. one all the time". Listen to Theo - he said: "Offense? Under Roy? Secondary Break and Freelance, that was it. Hubert runs way more offense than Roy ever did!" I'll believe Theo, not you guys. Sorry.

It's not the offense, it's the defense and rebounding. And both of those things are "effort" related, along with having some height to guard folks, change the trajectory of shots and to get rebounds.

We're "short" at every position - and did I say we missed on a big?

Finally, we don't have any leaders on the floor or in the locker room. Nary a one. The coaches can try to motivate and encourage all they want, but you need those guys who are actually wearing the jersey to lead - either by example or vocally in the huddle. That person is supposed to be RJ - but that's not in his nature. RJ is the one who needs to take a charge (take a charge, along with "take charge"); he needs to box out and throw an elbow; get in a teammate's face (the way Jordan would with the Bulls). RJ needs to be the one, who after dropping the perfect dime to a teammate - who then fumbles the ball away or misses the dunk - RJ needs to be the one to get in their grill and say: "Man, I'm not throwing you the ball anymore if you're going to do that crap!" These are the types of things a team leader would do. It's tough love, but it needs to happen and it needs to come from someone wearing a jersey.
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Of course the former players are going to stick up for Hubert. Not saying they don’t have some valid points, but they are also obviously biased in this situation. They’re never going to call out his coaching acumen, even if it’s valid.

For sake of argument let’s say that it’s not on Hubert and his staff to get the team to play with right amount of effort and that the responsibility for that is solely on the players. At the end of the day that still ultimately falls on the coaches, because they are the ones in charge of picking the players that are on the team in the first place. If the players aren’t giving effort or showing enough leadership, then Hubert should have recruited different players.

Professional sports have their own personnel departments, so there are going to be times when the teams have limitations and it’s through no fault of the HC. College coaches don’t have that excuse. They are the CEO of the entire program, and the buck always stops with them when it comes to the results, for better or worse. There is simply no other way to slice it.
 
Peppers49 said:
Of course the former players are going to stick up for Hubert. Not saying they don’t have some valid points, but they are also obviously biased in this situation. They’re never going to call out his coaching acumen, even if it’s valid.

For sake of argument let’s say that it’s not on Hubert and his staff to get the team to play with right amount of effort and that the responsibility for that is solely on the players. At the end of the day that still ultimately falls on the coaches, because they are the ones in charge of picking the players that are on the team in the first place. If the players aren’t giving effort or showing enough leadership, then Hubert should have recruited different players.

Professional sports have their own personnel departments, so there are going to be times when the teams have limitations and it’s through no fault of the HC. College coaches don’t have that excuse. They are the CEO of the entire program, and the buck always stops with them when it comes to the results, for better or worse. There is simply no other way to slice it.
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I’m biased in this situation too.
I fully understand your take. And a lot of the UNC fanbase agrees with you 100%. As do I - to a certain extent. But again I say, put me in the same group as the former players in this instance. Agree to disagree.
 
Centerpiece said:
It's not the offense, it's the defense and rebounding. And both of those things are "effort" related, along with having some height to guard folks, change the trajectory of shots and to get rebounds.
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If you are not using efficiency stats, you are a basketball troglodyte. Total offense is a meaningless stat because it is so influenced by pace.

Per KenPom, our offensive efficiency is 46 and our defensive efficiency is 48. Neither is close to UNC level. So we very much have a problem with our offense and our defense right now.
 
Calheel said:
If you are not using efficiency stats, you are a basketball troglodyte. Total offense is a meaningless stat because it is so influenced by pace.

Per KenPom, our offensive efficiency is 46 and our defensive efficiency is 48. Neither is close to UNC level. So we very much have a problem with our offense and our defense right now.
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The team is too small on defense to switch everything. It just allows more situations where a smaller defender is on a bigger player for the other team. The team is also too small and doesn't have the shooters it needs if RJ isn't hitting for the offense Hubert runs, which really isn't a structured offense at all. He isn't coaching a defense or offense that fits the team he has.
 
Calheel said:
If you are not using efficiency stats, you are a basketball troglodyte. Total offense is a meaningless stat because it is so influenced by pace.

Per KenPom, our offensive efficiency is 46 and our defensive efficiency is 48. Neither is close to UNC level. So we very much have a problem with our offense and our defense right now.
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“Basketball troglodyte” made me laugh so hard. Great work. Totally agree with you
 
UNCatTech said:
Why can't we seem to score in the last 5 minutes of games?
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This is frustrating. We lost this game (and many others) due to our inability to execute at the end of the first half and the end of the game. For some reason we seem to panic or just get out of control when the stakes go up.
 
UNCatTech said:
Why can't we seem to score in the last 5 minutes of games?
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The pace tends to slow down at the end of games, defensive intensity amps up. When you can’t shoot, you’d damn sure better not turn the ball over and you’d better learn how to get to the line and make crunch time FTs.

RJ, for all his gifts, is just not a natural leader. Combine the leadership void with those things and you’ll have problems finishing games strong.
 
Unfortunately I'm not sure there is anything to get figured out. When we missed on a big man it likely killed any chance this season. The only serviceable big we have is JWash and that is only on the offensive end. Lubin is terrible at this level and Withers can't be counted on to not make inexplicable plays every time he's on the floor. None of them can rebound. All of this falls on Hubert and with 2 years out of 4 missing the tournament next year is going to be a game by game litmus test, which is obviously not great.
 
Heelsandeers said:
Finish top 4 in ACC
Beat duke
Make NCAAT
Win a NCAAT game

Life comes at you fast

I personally don't expect any of these to be met but I guess we'll see...
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Welp. I think you can pretty comfortably strike these off

Duke would require an upset not seen in the rivalry since? Just about the worst matchup imaginable for this team

Finishing the season 8-2 and playing well in the ACCT would lessen the sting but I just can't see it
 
Willy said:
And the 21-22 was influenced by the NCAA tournament run.
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If anything, that makes it a little better than the numbers indicate

Playing well to end the year is more important than the start

Worst indictment of the current season is the team has regressed
 
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