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stankeylegjones said:
Looking at the sets, on both ends, lack of forming to match their players' skill sets, lineups, philosophies, and many more reasons that have been on full display this year is why I don't think they're ready.
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I hear a lot of complaining here about this — not running a scheme to match the roster makeup.

So let’s hear it from you — what sets would you run, with a team who can’t shoot consistently, and also can’t score inside consistently? These were things that on paper, should not have been nearly as big a challenge as they’ve been. We all thought Withers and Washington would’ve developed into something more by now. None of us thought shooting would be quite this big a problem, with Trimble and Cadeau having been expected to develop further and the big name frosh coming in. Not to mention the Tyson disaster — a guy who was sought after but just can’t cut it. So, given that every opponent packs the paint or runs a zone and dares them to shoot (except when they’re blitzing RJ) and focuses on limiting any transition offense — what is the magical scheme that this team should be running?

Also what are several of the “many more reasons” that have been on full display? You seem to like to hold people accountable for their claims. So let’s hear it?
 
duluoz said:
I hear a lot of complaining here about this — not running a scheme to match the roster makeup.

So let’s hear it from you — what sets would you run, with a team who can’t shoot consistently, and also can’t score inside consistently? These were things that on paper, should not have been nearly as big a challenge as they’ve been. We all thought Withers and Washington would’ve developed into something more by now. None of us thought shooting would be quite this big a problem, with Trimble and Cadeau having been expected to develop further and the big name frosh coming in. Not to mention the Tyson disaster — a guy who was sought after but just can’t cut it. So, given that every opponent packs the paint or runs a zone and dares them to shoot (except when they’re blitzing RJ) and focuses on limiting any transition offense — what is the magical scheme that this team should be running?

Also what are several of the “many more reasons” that have been on full display? You seem to like to hold people accountable for their claims. So let’s hear it?
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A couple of easy things to try on offense. First, stop having Ian and Seth in the corners. Get them, and the team, moving more - freelance as Roy called it. In short, stop running an offense that is designed for having knock-down shooters in the corner, when you don’t have them. Stop going four small, unless you are going to get out and press, making it more up-and-down. If you insist on running a more set offense, then go with Drake at 3, JWit at 4, and JWash/VAL at 5. Stop playing RJ and Cadeau together.

Maybe those things won’t work, idk. But fuck, stop doing what you know is not going to work.

Would you just keep running the same stuff, with the same lineups? Would you try any changes? If so, what?

JWit and JWash haven’t developed into what we’d hope for, yes, but how can you expect them too when you stop playing them for significant portions of the game/year - especially JWit?
 
stankeylegjones said:
A couple of easy things to try on offense. First, stop having Ian and Seth in the corners. Get them, and the team, moving more - freelance as Roy called it. In short, stop running an offense that is designed for having knock-down shooters in the corner, when you don’t have them. Stop going four small, unless you are going to get out and press, making it more up-and-down. If you insist on running a more set offense, then go with Drake at 3, JWit at 4, and JWash/VAL at 5. Stop playing RJ and Cadeau together.

Maybe those things won’t work, idk. But fuck, stop doing what you know is not going to work.

Would you just keep running the same stuff, with the same lineups? Would you try any changes? If so, what?

JWit and JWash haven’t developed into what we’d hope for, yes, but how can you expect them too when you stop playing them for significant portions of the game/year - especially JWit?
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I should mention, Rob Harrington has covered these things quite well in several of the post-game pods, along with articles. If you're interested you can find them on IC.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Maybe those things won’t work, idk. But fuck, stop doing what you know is not going to work.

Would you just keep running the same stuff, with the same lineups? Would you try any changes? If so, what?
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He's been tinkering with the lineups all year though. That's actually one of my criticisms of the year, there's no rotation stability or muscle memory in our lineups.

Based on Syracuse, just put JWit at the 4 and live with the results.
 
duluoz said:
I hear a lot of complaining here about this — not running a scheme to match the roster makeup.

So let’s hear it from you — what sets would you run, with a team who can’t shoot consistently, and also can’t score inside consistently? These were things that on paper, should not have been nearly as big a challenge as they’ve been. We all thought Withers and Washington would’ve developed into something more by now. None of us thought shooting would be quite this big a problem, with Trimble and Cadeau having been expected to develop further and the big name frosh coming in. Not to mention the Tyson disaster — a guy who was sought after but just can’t cut it. So, given that every opponent packs the paint or runs a zone and dares them to shoot (except when they’re blitzing RJ) and focuses on limiting any transition offense — what is the magical scheme that this team should be running?

Also what are several of the “many more reasons” that have been on full display? You seem to like to hold people accountable for their claims. So let’s hear it?
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And, to address your last point, yes, Bigs made up some bullshit. That was pretty fucking weak-ass.
 
stankeylegjones said:
The NIL funding is a valid point, imo. However there have been reports on IC that lack of NIL is not the main reason for striking out on players (in some cases, UNC actually big higher than the team that got the player). It's also not my reasoning for why I think HD/staff are not ready to lead UNC basketball, yet. Looking at the sets, on both ends, lack of forming to match their players' skill sets, lineups, philosophies, and many more reasons that have been on full display this year is why I don't think they're ready.
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All right, I mean, that's a reasonable disagreement. I don't mind reasonable disagreements.

I do not like the pitchfork mob over on IC, though. It's always burned me up the way fans talk about our players and coaches.
 
SnoopRob said:
We have bigs on the team…

Jae’Lyn Withers
Jalen Washington
James Brown
Ven-Allen Lubin
Ty Claude

…are all bigs.

What do you think we’re missing (outside of skills that mesh with our schemes)?
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Washington & Brown are the only players 6'10" and to be honest neither are what I was hoping could be... centers. You don't have to be 7' to play center but it sure as hell helps. We're without any inside presence and everyone knows it. What's your point? You saying you can coach up a scheme for smaller players to play bigger? A 7'4" player, even a not so good player, is still better than 6'8"-10".
Of course JMHO.
 
TarSpiel said:
He's been tinkering with the lineups all year though. That's actually one of my criticisms of the year, there's no rotation stability or muscle memory in our lineups.

Based on Syracuse, just put JWit at the 4 and live with the results.
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I could be wrong, but I don't feel like there's been tinkering with lineups all year. He had the lineup for the first few games, then changed to four small (replacing Seth when he got hurt with Ian, then replacing Ian for some reason with Seth), then the past couple of games back to JWit. The best lineup, imo, for what HD is trying to run would be RJ, Ian, Drake, JWit, JWash/VAL, bringing Cadeau and Seth off the bench, and not playing RJ with Cadeau for extended periods.
 
TarSpiel said:
All right, I mean, that's a reasonable disagreement. I don't mind reasonable disagreements.

I do not like the pitchfork mob over on IC, though. It's always burned me up the way fans talk about our players and coaches.
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You clearly have a ton of disdain for our fan base. Have you considered finding another team to root for?
 
SmilingJack said:
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Washington & Brown are the only players 6'10" and to be honest neither are what I was hoping could be... centers. You don't have to be 7' to play center but it sure as hell helps. We're without any inside presence and everyone knows it. What's your point? You saying you can coach up a scheme for smaller players to play bigger? A 7'4" player, even a not so good player, is still better than 6'8"-10".
Of course JMHO.
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I was really trying to understand your point since you said we have no bigs and there are 5 recruited interior players on the roster.

I'm not sure that we'd really be better off if one of our interior bigs was a big, lumbering 80s style center. In today's space-oriented game, I think he'd simply get run off the court. It would probably help a bit with rebounding, but I think we'd likely get killed on defense.

Under Roy we dominated inside on a consistent basis, but we often did it with guys who were 6'9" or 6'10" but who knew how to protect the interior and to rebound their tails off. We could certainly use at least one of those players this year, but unfortunately we were unable to snag one from the guys we looked at in the portal. And I'm not sure that we're teaching rebounding as a foundational principle as we did under Roy.
 
SnoopRob said:
I was really trying to understand your point since you said we have no bigs and there are 5 recruited interior players on the roster.

I'm not sure that we'd really be better off if one of our interior bigs was a big, lumbering 80s style center. In today's space-oriented game, I think he'd simply get run off the court. It would probably help a bit with rebounding, but I think we'd likely get killed on defense.

Under Roy we dominated inside on a consistent basis, but we often did it with guys who were 6'9" or 6'10" but who knew how to protect the interior and to rebound their tails off. We could certainly use at least one of those players this year, but unfortunately we were unable to snag one from the guys we looked at in the portal. And I'm not sure that we're teaching rebounding as a foundational principle as we did under Roy.
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Really which is it? Do it a new way or just like under Roy. I'm just saying our lack of interior players seems like a problem to me but like I said it's just my opinion. I'm not sure if I buy HD forgot "rebounding as a foundational principle" in a few years if ever?
Makes me think your mind is already made up so whatever goes counter to your more prescient understanding of the game is just flat out wrong. So be it.
 
SmilingJack said:
Really which is it? Do it a new way or just like under Roy. I'm just saying our lack of interior players seems like a problem to me but like I said it's just my opinion. I'm not sure if I buy HD forgot "rebounding as a foundational principle" in a few years if ever?
Makes me think your mind is already made up so whatever goes counter to your more prescient understanding of the game is just flat out wrong. So be it.
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I think you're looking for an anti-HD argument in the question I asked you and my response to you that just isn't there. Nothing in my question or response was meant to be pro- or anti-HD. I was merely trying to understand your point that we don't have any bigs when we clearly have interior oriented players and then I was providing a response to suggest that I'm not sure we really need a 7-footer over a guy who is around 6'9" but can successfully play inside.

It seems that your view of me completely overtook what I actually asked and said, so instead of responding to actual me you responded to the me that you created in your head.

But to address your concerns in this post. Our lack of strong interior play this year is obviously a concern. I thought we'd miss Bacot when he was gone, but I had no idea how much we'd miss him due to a lack of anyone to realistically replace him as an inside force.

I don't think HD "forgot" rebounding as a foundational principle as much as he intentionally moved away from it. He made it clear when he was hired that his schemes focus much more on bigs that are able to defend in space and to step out to the perimeter on offense, especially at the 4. And so his recruiting has focused much more on athletic bigs who aren't as focused on interior scoring, rebounding, and defense. Even with Bacot, a Roy-style and recruited player, we didn't focus on rebounding as much as we had under Roy. Now without Bacot or a similar replacement, we are seeing the results of the de-emphasis on traditional interior rebounding/scoring/defense. The real problem for HD is that he's also not created a team that can succeed with a lessened emphasis on interior play by significantly increasing the production from our guards and from outside shooting. Now, I don't think he intended to have quite the hole in the middle that we've shown this year, but he's not successfully done anything to address the lack of consistent interior production nor the lack of outside/guard production. And when you aren't getting production inside or outside, that doesn't leave many options for succeess.
 
Peppers49 said:
You clearly have a ton of disdain for our fan base. Have you considered finding another team to root for?
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Not all of our fan base. Just the nitwits who trash our players and coaches after all of our losses and most of our wins. It's pretty much the same percentage of people with distorted life perspectives as there in other fan bases.

Why are you so defensive though?
 
TarSpiel said:
lol...he mentions rebounding all the freaking time as one of the most important things we need to do to be successful.
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Dude, I addressed how HD has moved away from rebounding as a priority via player recruitment and scheme.

Whatever HD says about rebounding, he's certainly moved away from a traditional focus on it.
 
TarSpiel said:
Not all of our fan base. Just the nitwits who trash our players and coaches after all of our losses and most of our wins. It's pretty much the same percentage of people with distorted life perspectives as there in other fan bases.

Why are you so defensive though?
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Every single one of your posts includes a tantrum about how our fans are idiots or nitwits or whatever. Maybe take a look in the mirror one time.
 
Peppers49 said:
Every single one of your posts includes a tantrum about how our fans are idiots or nitwits or whatever. Maybe take a look in the mirror one time.
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Well, that's empirically not true, but it again makes me wonder why you're so defensive

The posts that do express that perspective are often in response to the "Hubert Davis Sucks Fire Him" types of posts, so you might want to check the context.
 
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