Sure - but with today's NIL and transfer portal, we should absolutely be able to compete at Duke's level in year 5
UNC’s Next Basketball Coach
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Well we do have. I think 4 final four game wins since dooks last FF game win in 2015
I get some really good stuff online. Is that where you get what you're smoking? If so, could you share a link?
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If we only want to base it off of his record, his record against "peer" schools: 17 - 35. (Q1 games). That is not good enough.
However, record alone is not the reason he is not the right person for this job, yet.
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I wonder if Tony Bennett will ever come back to coaching or is he done for good.
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IMO, I see modernizing as not only technology advances but also in how we approach the NBA.
Again, this is all speculation on my part and we may have done this with Caleb Wilson, but we should have direct communications with NBA scouts and coaches about the best path for these top five recruits we are recruiting. What will help them the most? And we tell the recruits this. We let them know they we are doing these conversations and have these avenues.
That is kind of an extension of what Coach Smith used to do. He would talk to scouts of NBA teams and get draft positions and how they would be used and give that advice to players so they could go pro early if it suited them. I could see Coach Smith expanding that for really elite players in the one and done era.
Again, this is all speculation on my part and we may have done this with Caleb Wilson, but we should have direct communications with NBA scouts and coaches about the best path for these top five recruits we are recruiting. What will help them the most? And we tell the recruits this. We let them know they we are doing these conversations and have these avenues.
That is kind of an extension of what Coach Smith used to do. He would talk to scouts of NBA teams and get draft positions and how they would be used and give that advice to players so they could go pro early if it suited them. I could see Coach Smith expanding that for really elite players in the one and done era.
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Coach Smith retired after Stack and Sheed went pro after their soph year. I think he saw the future and wanted no part of it.
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He later told Roy he retired too early.
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At the same time, if you look at UNC’s history since joining the ACC,* the only 4-year stretches prior to HD becoming head coach where the Heels had 45 or more losses were 4-year stretches that included 2002 (when we went 8-20) and 2020 (when we went 14-19). Absent those years that really skewed the loss column, we’re not used to having as many as 45 losses over a 4-year stretch. What makes that even more frustrating is that those four seasons have involved a much weaker ACC than what he had in the past and we have struggled to beat good teams. In the previous four seasons, excluding our magical tournament run in 2022, we are 11-22 vs. teams that were ranked at the time we played them. Of those 11 teams we beat, five of them finished the season unranked.
And then there’s just the eye test of how things look. How do we look on defense? How is our offense being run?
How how people view the extent of our success over the past few years is based on multiple things combined: number of losses, who we haven’t beat when given the opportunity, and how we’ve looked in the process.
And of course there’s also NCAAT success. 2022 was very successful there. But the past three years have not been up to par. Not counting the play-in game from last year, we have only two NCAAT wins in the past three years. The only other 3-year stretches since at-large bids started in 1975 where we had two or fewer NCAAT wins were 2001-2003 (1 NCAAT win), 2002-2004 (1 NCAAT win), and 2019-2021 (2 NCAAT wins).
*Fewer games were played in the earlier years of the ACC, so it would be harder to rack up 45+ losses over the course of four seasons in the earlier years unless you were really bad.
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He stuck around for two more years after that.
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Not to mention, winning 20 games isn't a big feat anymore.
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Yeah, that's certainly the argument to fire him.
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So Snoop, you don't think they need a home run hire if they fire Hubert?
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Yes he did. I did not mean to imply that he retired the very next year after Stack and Sheed went pro, but I do think Coach Smith saw the future and began to plan for the transition once he retired.... Coach Gut and then Roy Williams
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I’d love a home run hire, but we’d be considerably better with a double or triple hire, as well.
I’m actually skeptical we’ll get a true home run hire, but I’m confident we’ll get a good coach if we make a move after this season (although I do hope Self stays another year & UK keeps Pope for at least 1 more).
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We'll all be hoping they hire a coach that will be more successful but there's certainly no guarantee.
Roy's last few years looked a lot like Hubert's first 4 1/2 and he was a good coach, no?
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For me the winning percentage is fine.
It's the stupid losses and what seems like a lack of development of players and a lack of judgement in recruiting.
Two years in a row of feeling unbalanced as a team.
Thinks like that.
The preseason #1 to not making the tournament was bad, but we should have never been preseason #1.
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Roy’s last few years overall were better than Hubert’s tenure and those were, on the whole, down years for him.
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Yeah, if we’re comparing Hubert’s tenure to the worst 4-year stretch of Roy’s career, that’s not a good thing. Roy retired, in part, because he didn’t think he was any longer doing the job he needed to be doing to keep coaching.