United Healthcare CEO shot and killed | 1st Degree murder charges ordered dropped

Milk and Cookies said:
They found the backpack in Central Park

"The bag was found in a second sweep of the park Friday evening, between some boulders just south of the park’s carousel, the source said.
Police secured the area, bagged the piece of evidence and sent it — unopened — to the lab, the source said. It will not be opened until it reaches the lab."
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Aha! That seems like a mistake. He will prob be caught now unless he's left the country.

Has anyone ever been -- or knows anyone -- who's been on a big search before? I wonder what it's like to be the guy who finds the thing. Does he get all excited? "I found it, I found it!" Is there like a betting pool and who ever finds it wins?
 
superrific said:
These businesses were not "down the street" from the shooting. And I'm not talking about resisting. I'm just skeptical that the businesses drop everything to do it; and if that's the case, then it doesn't seem as though it could be done in real time fast enough.
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Just saying that businesses want a good relationship with NYPD. Tell them to pound sand when they are asking for help in a case like this and you might not get help next time a vagrant is going to the bathroom on you businesses doorstep or you are having problems with shoplifters, etc.
 
NCK9 said:
Just saying that businesses want a good relationship with NYPD. Tell them to pound sand when they are asking for help in a case like this and you might not get help next time a vagrant is going to the bathroom on you businesses doorstep or you are having problems with shoplifters, etc.
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Right. Don't tell them to pound sand. That's not quite the same thing as immediately jumping into the videos.
 
superrific said:
Aha! That seems like a mistake. He will prob be caught now unless he's left the country.

Has anyone ever been -- or knows anyone -- who's been on a big search before? I wonder what it's like to be the guy who finds the thing. Does he get all excited? "I found it, I found it!" Is there like a betting pool and who ever finds it wins?
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This is the strongest evidence yet that he is not a pro.
 
Backpack is full of his old clothes.
Changed behind the boulders. Slipped away. Could be in Switzerland now
 
Since we're talking about pulling video for cops and I've had to do that a handful of times (although never on a case anything like this one), here's my experience...

When the cops ask for video they typically come in person, so unless you have something pressing you're gonna work with them pretty much as soon as they show up. (They'll also ask you if you have any knowledge of the events they're investigating or the people they think/know are involved.) They generally already have a good idea of what they're looking for and they'll give a rough time frame for when they need video from. In my experience, you take them to wherever the monitor is (back when there were fixed systems, now it's all in the cloud and can be accessed from any computer) and typically watch the video together. Once you've found what they're looking for, they'll ask for a copy of the video. It usually takes about 30 minutes to an hour total, depending on how wide of a range of time you have to review to find what they need and how many cameras are involved. Getting the video to the cops is now really easy once you know the exact time span you need, the security software makes it simple to cut and save and then it's just sending an email, it just takes a handful of minutes unless they need a large amount of video.
 
I think in general the reality will turn out to be much more mundane than some imaginations here. Chances are he’s not a pro. He’s not well resourced. He didn’t plan 20 steps ahead. He didn’t leave the country. He’s not making sophisticated moves like body doubles or planting fake DNA. He’s someone with a motive, opportunity, familiarity with guns and a screw loose. He arrived by bus - he left by bus. He’s hiding out somewhere he’s familiar with.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
I think in general the reality will turn out to be much more mundane than some imaginations here. Chances are he’s not a pro. He’s not well resourced. He didn’t plan 20 steps ahead. He didn’t leave the country. He’s not making sophisticated moves like body doubles or planting fake DNA. He’s someone with a motive, opportunity, familiarity with guns and a screw loose. He arrived by bus - he left by bus. He’s hiding out somewhere he’s familiar with.
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This is the right answer. Imagining this guy is Jason Borne and all the scenarios that go with it is a fun distraction or a sign of mental illness depending on your disposition but it's going to be something boring.
 
Callatoroy said:
I guess that is debatable. There really isn't a way that doesn't have serious drawbacks for some people and there isn't a one size fits all approach.
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True.

I've listened to a couple of really good interviews with people that study insurance. It is complicated.

But, I do believe if we take the profit motive out of it, it could be better.

And I'm not against people being properly compensated for their work. And I have no blind ideas that we could do this for free.

But, I do believe we could be more efficient, and still pay for the services and keep doctors, with a single payer system that puts people first and not profits.
 
Callatoroy said:
Because its easy and popular to demonize insurance companies.
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Why is it easy?

Would you like to know how many times my family was denied coverage, because the insurance companies doctors said it wasn't medically necessary? The insurance company doctors that never met my family or diagnosed my child? Then after multiple appeals they finally paid. It probably would have cost them much less to have listened to the doctors to begin with, instead of paying for multiple ER visits.

It's easy because there is a problem there.
 
superrific said:
Well, the actors might be returning after their post-performance festivities, but I see your point.

It's my understanding that suppressors do not cancel the sound. They reduce it. I watched a video on youtube about this, where a guy fired weapons with and without suppressors. Maybe it was a bad video, but the point (which seemed supported) was that suppressors reduce sound but they aren't like in the movies where nobody can hear anything. Maybe you can't hear it from 100 feet away but 10 feet, sure.

I never spent much time on the streets of New York at 6:45 AM, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was enough extraneous noise to at least partly mask the shots. That could have happened.

But it's still fucking brazen to shoot a guy on the city street when cars and pedestrians can have full view.
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I've shot a gun with a suppressor, it's relatively quiet comparatively. Yes, it isn't silent, but I'd say it knocks the sound down by 90%+.
 
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