2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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HeelYeah2012 said:
Let me speak to just one part of this. I definitely think that the indictments have only further polarized Trump in both directions - as in, they’ve made people who hate him even more repulsed by him, while at the same time strengthening the loyalty to him from his supporters.

As someone who has a lot of Trump supporters in my circle, this makes sense to me. The main appeal of Trump is that he’s a Washington outsider who the folks in the “swamp” cannot stand, and they’ll do anything to make him go away. So Trump being prosecuted for these crimes (crimes he would never be prosecuted for unless he was running for reelection) is only going to make his supporters double down and support him more. The whole thing reinforces their perception that he’s a political outsider and that the political machine has no bottom when it comes to trying to get rid of him.

Basically, Trump’s whole legal mess encourages both his supporters and his haters to strengthen their conviction in how they feel about him.
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Do you have some basis you'd like to share for the assertion that he has only been prosecuted for these crimes because of his candidacy? I'm asking honestly if you know of other examples of such crimes that were not prosecuted. I look at what he was prosecuted for and think that pretty much anyone who does those things and it becomes well known ia gonna get prosecuted.

Now, one could make the argument that his notoriety led to the prosecution because it highlighted the criminal activity. That I can buy. But wouldn't that be more Trump’s own fault than anyone? In essence, if you're gonna be a criminal, don't flaunt it?
 
It only takes one screw up in the blue wall states to throw this election. Noted on Morning Joe, there was some concern about the transgender ad Trump is using full force in those states and almost no push back from Harris Campaign. Shades of Swift boating?

But, in this case you have to wonder why not much push back? Could it be a reluctance to butt heads with a Dem special interest group that the push back would cause?
 
BlueSmoke said:
It only takes one screw up in the blue wall states to throw this election. Noted on Morning Joe, there was some concern about the transgender ad Trump is using full force in those states and almost no push back from Harris Campaign. Shades of Swift boating?

But, in this case you have to wonder why not much push back? Could it be a reluctance to butt heads with a Dem special interest group that the push back would cause?
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Maybe because we never were likely to get the votes of people bothered by that. Maybe because pushing back gets it more attention. Maybe because people who are offended are too stupid and too big of a jerk to want on our side, despite needing the votes. Maybe not wanting to roll around in the pig manure with the swine who love it. Maybe all of these.
 
finesse said:
Maybe because we never were likely to get the votes of people bothered by that. Maybe because pushing back gets it more attention. Maybe because people who are offended are too stupid and too big of a jerk to want on our side, despite needing the votes. Maybe not wanting to roll around in the pig manure with the swine who love it. Maybe all of these.
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Yeah all of these, plus it’s almost impossible to finesse this issue. It’s incredibly complicated.
 
finesse said:
Maybe because we never were likely to get the votes of people bothered by that. Maybe because pushing back gets it more attention. Maybe because people who are offended are too stupid and too big of a jerk to want on our side, despite needing the votes. Maybe not wanting to roll around in the pig manure with the swine who love it. Maybe all of these.
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President Kerry's thought process was somewhat similar. And actually, to respond is an interesting gambit because this is actually a Trump policy that Trump is complaining about. Have a feeling there are some very clever ways to respond to this one.
 
BlueSmoke said:
It only takes one screw up in the blue wall states to throw this election. Noted on Morning Joe, there was some concern about the transgender ad Trump is using full force in those states and almost no push back from Harris Campaign. Shades of Swift boating?

But, in this case you have to wonder why not much push back? Could it be a reluctance to butt heads with a Dem special interest group that the push back would cause?
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“Special interest group?”
 

BlueSmoke said:
President Kerry's thought process was somewhat similar. And actually, to respond is an interesting gambit because this is actually a Trump policy that Trump is complaining about. Have a feeling there are some very clever ways to respond to this one.
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There are plenty of chimeras that could be chased. This seems off message and too defensive.

I knew that it had its origins with Trump and it would be clever. The cleverness would be wasted and the story disbelieved so why bother?
 
finesse said:
There are plenty of chimeras that could be chased. This seems off message and too defensive.

I knew that it had its origins with Trump and it would be clever. The cleverness would be wasted and the story disbelieved so why bother?
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Perhaps. But not responding appropriately to such things have always proven to be a killer.
 
BlueSmoke said:
Perhaps. But not responding appropriately to such things have always proven to be a killer.
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You might want to reexamine your thoughts about this if you equate it with Swiftboating. This should, for someone who respects other people, be some serious small change.
 
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