2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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336Heel said:
Purely anecdotal but maybe there is hope. Was actually talking to 3 people this weekend who worked for this man and still align themselves with the GOP. All 3 of them are voting for Harris because they are never Trumpers. All 3 firmly believe Trump wouldn't have happened on Jesse's watch. No way to know if that's true or not but found it interesting.
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They think Jesse Helms would've opposed Trump?
 
WBroylesH said:
They think Jesse Helms would've opposed Trump?
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Yes. Reasoning that Trump's moral failings would have been so repugnant to Helms that he would have done everything he could to make sure Trump wasn't the nominee. Not that Helms would have run against him but as a leader of the party Helms would have found a way to stop Trump.
 
336Heel said:
Yes. Reasoning that Trump's moral failings would have been so repugnant to Helms that he would have done everything he could to make sure Trump wasn't the nominee. Not that Helms would have run against him but as a leader of the party Helms would have found a way to stop Trump.
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This is just so laughably naive. Helms would have had as much luck stopping Trump as everyone else in the Republican Party did, and he would have been more likely to end up like either Mitch McConnell (tolerating/grudgingly supporting Trump) or even Lindsey Graham (going from warning about the dangers of Trump to full-fledged hypocritical Trump sycophant) than to end up leaving the party on principle like, say, Liz Cheney.
 
336Heel said:
Yes. Reasoning that Trump's moral failings would have been so repugnant to Helms that he would have done everything he could to make sure Trump wasn't the nominee. Not that Helms would have run against him but as a leader of the party Helms would have found a way to stop Trump.
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There are plenty of Republicans who find him repugnant. Unfortunately, once he became the nominee most of them fell in line.
 
rodoheel said:
This is just so laughably naive. Helms would have had as much luck stopping Trump as everyone else in the Republican Party did, and he would have been more likely to end up like either Mitch McConnell (tolerating/grudgingly supporting Trump) or even Lindsey Graham (going from warning about the dangers of Trump to full-fledged hypocritical Trump sycophant) than to end up leaving the party on principle like, say, Liz Cheney.
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For real.

Although I think you give him too much credit. He would've been enthusiastically all-in on MAGA.
 
heelinhell said:
Living in Carrboro is like living in Shangri-La :)
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Yeah. I moved down to Rocky Mount for six years and it was right different. It wasn't a bad place to live and, in fairness , I was sick for a good stretch of it but it sure was nice to move back to the Carrboro area.
 
finesse said:
Yeah. I moved down to Rocky Mount for six years and it was right different. It wasn't a bad place to live and, in fairness , I was sick for a good stretch of it but it sure was nice to move back to the Carrboro area.
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good to know you have returned
 
336Heel said:
Yes. Reasoning that Trump's moral failings would have been so repugnant to Helms that he would have done everything he could to make sure Trump wasn't the nominee. Not that Helms would have run against him but as a leader of the party Helms would have found a way to stop Trump.
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Good lord no. Jesse would have been right there with Trump. Would have been two peas in a pod. Add Strom to that for the trifecta
 
lawtig02 said:
I think Stein wins by 18+. I think Kamala wins NC by 4+. North Carolinians know what leadership looks like. It ain’t Trump, Robinson, Berger or Moore.
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Uh I would love for this to happen but there's no chance. IMO Stein wins by something like 8-10 points and Trump wins by something under 100k votes.
 
WBroylesH said:
For real.

Although I think you give him too much credit. He would've been enthusiastically all-in on MAGA.
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Agreed. In many ways Helms (like George Wallace or Joseph McCarthy) was a MAGA prototype. He was all-in on the culture wars before they became a dominant theme of national politics, he was a master at tearing down and belittling his opponents, he was a bigot who as a TV editorialist (shades of Fox News) in Raleigh fulminated against Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement as a bunch of Communists, said he wanted to build a fence around UNC, and indulged in the kind of populist, small town, white blue-collar resentments and grievances that motivate modern MAGAs. He cozied up to the Religious Right (especially the Moral Majority and Jerry Falwell, Sr., who adored him) and hated gays. He would mostly have been right at home with these people, imo.
 
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lawtig02 said:
I think Stein wins by 18+. I think Kamala wins NC by 4+. North Carolinians know what leadership looks like. It ain’t Trump, Robinson, Berger or Moore.
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No. There are two North Carolinas and you can be in one or the other and not even know the other one exists. The rurals always say, "I know the election was stolen because I don't know a single person who voted for Biden." Unfortunately, the blue voters moving into the blue areas don't outnumber the rednecks' reproductive capabilities just yet. And a lot of these middle class yankees using their home equity to become upper-middle class southerners don't know how to vote either. Any win here will be razor thin and if I'm wrong I'll gladly eat crow and enjoy it.
 
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