2024 Presidential Election | 44 Days to Election Day
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CFordUNC
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I’m in the middle. I’m an independent. I’m a registered unaffiliated voter and never once considered voting for trump. Ever. This will be my third time voting against that charlatan.
HeelYeah2012
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Trump will push the envelope, there will be challenges, there will be lawsuits, and like anything else government-related it’ll take forever. The ACLU is already talking about how they’ll mitigate some of Trump’s more concerning impulses in this area.
In other words, Trump will set an anti-illegal immigration tone, and if he’s successful, maybe he’ll get 3 million people deported this time (compared to the 1 million from his last administration and the 300,000 from Biden administration). It will never be all 11 million+ in four years.
Edit: this is starting to get too far down the illegal immigration rabbit hole and this thread is supposed to be about the election itself. Happy to continue this convo in a thread about illegal immigration.
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RockyMtnHoo
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Maybe when Stormi Daniels told him not to finish immediately???
lightbluenc
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Wait wait wait. You think The Biden Admin has only deported 300k?
What's your data?
From May 2023 to January 2024, the latest available data, there have been 520,000 returns and removals. The next highest number is the 518,000 returns and removals in fiscal year 2019, under the Trump administration.
And even then. What benefit do we get as a nation, in deporting 3 million people who are contributing to our society? Why is this such a big issue? If the Venezuelan lady who traveled a thousand miles, came all this way and took your job, maybe you need to work on your resume.
yeah we can continue elsewhere, for sure
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No immigrants- legal or otherwise - are just “eating the garden”. None. Zero. Nada. Every single one is working, and working hard I might add. They are paying taxes, paying rent, buying groceries and feeding their families (kids who go to school and perform much better than fat, entitled Maga white kids, and that is a fact)
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Because the right wing media has painted a picture of thousands of drug dealing, murdering MS-13 gang members pouring across the border daily with no obstacles.
And apparently when they do there is a voucher for a 5 star hotel, free healthcare and a voter registration form waiting for them on this side of the border.
It doesn’t matter that it isn’t true…it’s what they “feel” is happening.
And apparently when they do there is a voucher for a 5 star hotel, free healthcare and a voter registration form waiting for them on this side of the border.
It doesn’t matter that it isn’t true…it’s what they “feel” is happening.
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Is this an example of a “good faith” or “bad faith” poast?
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You sure you have the right numbers? Looks like Trump deported about 1.5 million migrants in his four years and Biden is on a very similar pace.
The Biden Administration Is on Pace to Match Trump Deportation Numbers—Focusing on the Border, Not the U.S. Interior
The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...
HeelYeah2012
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See my post above that I think we need to move the immigration discussion to a different thread and move this one back on track to focus on the election. This will be my last immigration post on this thread but wanted to respond to you since we’ve had some good back and forth lately.You sure you have the right numbers? Looks like Trump deported about 1.5 million migrants in his four years and Biden is on a very similar pace.
The Biden Administration Is on Pace to Match Trump Deportation Numbers—Focusing on the Border, Not the U.S. Interior
The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...www.migrationpolicy.org
I think the difference in your data and mine is likely due to the various ways this can be counted - “removals”, “returns” and “expulsions” all have different meanings. I will link the NBC News article where I got my numbers from below, understanding that this only captures like 3+ years of Biden data vs 4 years of Trump.
“During the Trump years there were an estimated 935,089 deportations, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement data. As of February, there have been an estimated 339,751 deportations during the Biden administration.”
Link: How would mass deportation of migrants under Trump actually work?
lightbluenc
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Appreciate the data. I'll try to bring it back to just general election talk as well. So really you just like the "talk" of Trump acting "tough" (tough in your eyes) on certain things, even though you know he won't do those things.
I only ask, because why is the "talk" of saying these things, better than someone actually trying to pass laws that help us, like gun safety, healthcare assistance, women's rights, lgbtq rights and so on? Because all these issues help waaay more Americans than trying to deport 0.4% of our population which could actually cause economic harm.
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It's maddeningly illogical and irrational. HY2012 - the Trump Whisperer.
And also, he's mentioned before our institutional guardrails against tyrants would rein him in. How comforting. Especially since the entire right wing apparatus has worked for years to weaken, if not outright dismantle, those guardrails.
He's either being dishonest with himself or dishonest with us.
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more like the water chummer. Every post is calculated to get people to argue back. You can't lose when your goal is attention and engagement.
It's maddeningly illogical and irrational. HY2012 - the Trump Whisperer
GoHeelsweeeehoooo
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HY2012 is such a confusing person - he says he's mostly voting for Democrats statewide in North Carolina which I'm very thankful for - but he's pretty much all in on Trump - even if you think Harris will be too liberal she most likely will have to govern with a divided government - it's very possible that the Republicans will control the Senate and the house during her presidency assuming she wins
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I took the liberty of starting a separate immigration thread and primed the pump with a few posts from this one: Immigration Issues and Reform
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I think it was always inevitable after the party unconditionally surrendered to Trump in 2016 – remember Lindsey Graham saying that if the GOP nominated Trump that it would get destroyed and deservedly so? – but it has still been really remarkable to see the complete and total collapse of GOP policy on almost everything from immigration, to foreign policy, and everything in between.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of law and order, but then they nominated a convicted felon who openly announces his intent to pardon all of the other convicted felons who were put behind bars for beating the shit out of “the blue” on January 6.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of support the troops, but then they nominated a guy who disparaged prisoners of war, Gold Star and Purple Heart families, called American soldiers “suckers and losers” forgiving their lives on the battlefield in defense of our freedom, and refused to go to the American cemetery at Normandy on a day that it was raining because it would mess up his hair.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party that talked the talk and walked the walk on being tough on Russia, but now they nominated a guy who openly performs fellatio on Vladimir Putin in front of the entire world.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to advocate for supporting our democratic allies abroad through military and financial aid, but now they have nominated a ticket that expresses an open desire to surrender Ukraine to the Russians.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of strong border security, but now they have nominated a guy who openly bragged that he single-handedly torpedoed the strongest by bipartisan immigration reform and border security legislation in decades.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of individual responsibility and pull yourself up by the bootstraps, but now they have nominated a guy who has never taken personal responsibility or been held accountable for anything which he has ever done in his life yet still whines and cries and complains that he has been treated more unfairly than anyone in American history.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of personal freedoms, but now the entire party wants the government to get all up in your wife or your girlfriend’s or your daughter’s vagina, or hang out in your bedroom while you have sex with another consenting adult of your choice.
I can’t think of anything more humiliating or embarrassing than to be a Republican trying to argue with a straight face that the current Republican Party is anything remotely resembling a classically conservative movement with classically conservative policy aims and goals.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of law and order, but then they nominated a convicted felon who openly announces his intent to pardon all of the other convicted felons who were put behind bars for beating the shit out of “the blue” on January 6.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of support the troops, but then they nominated a guy who disparaged prisoners of war, Gold Star and Purple Heart families, called American soldiers “suckers and losers” forgiving their lives on the battlefield in defense of our freedom, and refused to go to the American cemetery at Normandy on a day that it was raining because it would mess up his hair.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party that talked the talk and walked the walk on being tough on Russia, but now they nominated a guy who openly performs fellatio on Vladimir Putin in front of the entire world.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to advocate for supporting our democratic allies abroad through military and financial aid, but now they have nominated a ticket that expresses an open desire to surrender Ukraine to the Russians.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of strong border security, but now they have nominated a guy who openly bragged that he single-handedly torpedoed the strongest by bipartisan immigration reform and border security legislation in decades.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of individual responsibility and pull yourself up by the bootstraps, but now they have nominated a guy who has never taken personal responsibility or been held accountable for anything which he has ever done in his life yet still whines and cries and complains that he has been treated more unfairly than anyone in American history.
It used to be that you could count on the GOP to be the party of personal freedoms, but now the entire party wants the government to get all up in your wife or your girlfriend’s or your daughter’s vagina, or hang out in your bedroom while you have sex with another consenting adult of your choice.
I can’t think of anything more humiliating or embarrassing than to be a Republican trying to argue with a straight face that the current Republican Party is anything remotely resembling a classically conservative movement with classically conservative policy aims and goals.
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HY12 is not alone in that approach and makes a good faith effort here to explain why. Even though I remain genuinely baffled by the Trump support, I appreciate the effort to help me understand the POV.