2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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farce© said:
It is a tedious thread. Every time I check it out there are like six more pages of polls that contradict each other and then people fretting about it. I don't have it on ignore but I don't read it carefully nor attach much meaning to it.
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I can't handle the 5 pt swings in 2 days for NC
 
aGDevil2k said:
Agreed. I do wonder if republicans get nervous like that?
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Well, they sure seem to. They were the ones calling 2016 the Flight 93 election. They are the ones whose platform is "the world will end if a moderate Democrat is again elected president."
 
Kingpin said:
This is spot on. I’ve said this many times in the past on the old ZZLP. Today’s Pubs are the same as Jim Crow southernDemocrats. They began migrating to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act and continued throughout the 70s/80s.
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Jesse Helms is a great example of this migration to reference for North Carolinians. He was a Democrat until switching party allegiance to Republican in 1970.
 
4thgenheel said:
yeah, its always hilarious when pubs try to argue that the dems gerrymander just as much/badly.

not even in the same galaxy.
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altmin said:
I had to put the polling thread on ignore. I am tired of feeling hopeless and that thread just makes me like there basically is no point in life.
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The thread does not forecast doom for Harris but I can see how it makes people nervous.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Agreed. I do wonder if republicans get nervous like that? It feels democrats are the eternal pessimists when it comes to elections though. I mean it's so pervasive that Michelle Obama talked about it in her speech
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I don't think Democrats were like that until 2016. The 2000 election angered them, but 2016 traumatized Democrats and shook them as no election in my lifetime. The notion that 63 million Americans could possibly have reasoned that Donald Freaking Trump was in any way qualified to be POTUS wrecked whatever faith they had developed in American democracy after Obama's two election wins. I remember reading message board posts during the campaign and while many posters were not exactly enthusiastic about Hillary and thought the election might be close, relatively few thought that Trump would actually win. The fact that Trump nearly won in 2020 and got 11 million more votes than he did four years earlier just made them even more pessimistic. And so here we are. And yes, I also fear that Dear Leader will - against all reason and logic and decency - win the Oval Office yet again.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
I don't think Democrats were like that until 2016. The 2000 election angered them, but 2016 traumatized Democrats and shook them as no election in my lifetime. The notion that 63 million Americans could possibly have reasoned that Donald Freaking Trump was in any way qualified to be POTUS wrecked whatever faith they had developed in American democracy after Obama's two election wins. I remember reading message board posts during the campaign and while many posters were not exactly enthusiastic about Hillary and thought the election might be close, relatively few thought that Trump would actually win. The fact that Trump nearly won in 2020 and got 11 million more votes than he did four years earlier just made them even more pessimistic. And so here we are. And yes, I also fear that Dear Leader will once again - against all reason and logic and decency - win the Oval Office yet again.
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This captures my thoughts and feelings 100%.
 
Anyone calling themselves a moderate Republican, listen to me. The only way to rid yourself of Trumpism, is to get rid of Trump. It doesn't mean you have to agree on policy with Dems, not by any stretch. But for the love of God, we want normal Republicans back. We want to be able to be able to just compromise on issues with you. We need you. But this fascination with MAGA evangelical nationalism means there is no compromise when your leaders and hardcore base believe its good vs evil.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if Harris wins the popular vote by more than 10 million votes. That difference is greater than the population of all but 10 states. Crazy to think that a candidate can win that many more votes and still not be elected president.
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OTOH, I’ve read a number of analysts indicate that the gender gap is doing strange things to voting models — white men in very blue states moving to Trump and women in very red states away from Trump, so the blue state margins for Harris may not match Biden 2020 or Clinton 2016 (and the red states are generally smaller so the flow toward Harris there might not even out). I think we just won’t know until we know, but there do seem to be some unusual flow/counterflow in voting.

The crazy thing is, all the data suggest that if Haley were the GOP nominee, she might win in an electoral landslide and even win the popular vote. The country’s general mood seems to be to shift right but Trump seems to be just awful enough that he is creating an opportunity for Harris to thread the needle. Trump may still win, but having him as the nominee may also be a drag on the GOP preventing what could have been a genuine red wave.
 
Little unsolicited background here but I am a lifelong conservative (fiscally not socially) who until about 12-15 years ago voted pretty much along party lines. However, within that time period I became disillusioned with the Republican party due to what I call bible thumpers and their desire to spend more time in people's bedrooms than on national policies.

With that said, I went to the Trump event yesterday in Mint Hill not because he's even remotely getting my vote but more for reasons along the lines of what I told some of my employees who know I'm no fan of his..."when the circus comes to town, you go see the clowns even if you don't like them." Had VIP access so I was only about 20 feet from him. Yes, his hands really are that tiny but I digress.

Towards the end of the speech he confirmed why I've moved further away from the Republican party. All his talk of the economy, Iran trying to kill him, bringing manufacturing back into the country, etc. elicited cheers from the crowd; however, the absolute loudest cheers (and I mean not even close) was when he talked about getting CRT out of the classroom, and transgenders, and no men in women's sports. The damn place went crazy. I just can't anymore. It's fucking disgusting. Leave people the fuck alone and focus on running the damn country instead of who people want to sleep with.
 
bdubunc01 said:
Little unsolicited background here but I am a lifelong conservative (fiscally not socially) who until about 12-15 years ago voted pretty much along party lines. However, within that time period I became disillusioned with the Republican party due to what I call bible thumpers and their desire to spend more time in people's bedrooms than on national policies.

With that said, I went to the Trump event yesterday in Mint Hill not because he's even remotely getting my vote but more for reasons along the lines of what I told some of my employees who know I'm no fan of his..."when the circus comes to town, you go see the clowns even if you don't like them." Had VIP access so I was only about 20 feet from him. Yes, his hands really are that tiny but I digress.

Towards the end of the speech he confirmed why I've moved further away from the Republican party. All his talk of the economy, Iran trying to kill him, bringing manufacturing back into the country, etc. elicited cheers from the crowd; however, the absolute loudest cheers (and I mean not even close) was when he talked about getting CRT out of the classroom, and transgenders, and no men in women's sports. The damn place went crazy. I just can't anymore. It's fucking disgusting. Leave people the fuck alone and focus on running the damn country instead of who people want to sleep with.
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Interested Idris Elba GIF

Well said. Couldn’t agree more.
 
Paine said:
Yep. There have been several articles in recent days about how Harris will likely only need a small popular vote victory to win the electoral college.

Similarly to how Clinton got a lot of votes in states she didn’t win (Florida, Texas), Trump seems set to gain more votes in Cali and NY. Of course, he won’t win those.
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Yeah, I’m having a hard time avoiding responding to the doomcasting on here, as I don’t want to be annoying. But the reality is Kamala remains in excellent shape. The overwhelming majority of variables and markers favor her right now. Barring a major mistake or an asteroid-hits-NYC type catastrophe, she will win. That doesn’t diminish the need to keep doing the work, but we can do it with enthusiasm and excitement. The end of Trump is nigh. Maybe not MAGA, but at least Trump.
 
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