2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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DiehardHeelFan said:
Not saying it’s not close and some anxiety isn’t warranted (I still have 2016 PTSD), but so many things have happened since then. Trump has his supporters locked in. They would vote for him if a video surfaced of him in gay porn. He has their vote. Honestly feel that Kamala and her campaign (campaign staff and surrogates) are reaching the people who aren’t Trump loyalists. At what percentage we don’t know but do feel it’s resonating. Don’t have to sway them all. It’s all about the margins. Her numbers look good. Just have trust in great turnout. I am trying to be positive in light of my anxiety :)
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I mean I know someone in the campaign did the math and decided that reaching out to the Muslim vote would open them up to too many pro Israel voters defecting.

It's always easier to run as the alternative to the current regime because you can tell two groups of unhappy people that the problem is the party in power, even if what you are selling is the opposite to those disaffected groups. People just want their complaints amplified and don't think past them.
 
altmin said:
I mean I know someone in the campaign did the math and decided that reaching out to the Muslim vote would open them up to too many pro Israel voters defecting.

It's always easier to run as the alternative to the current regime because you can tell two groups of unhappy people that the problem is the party in power, even if what you are selling is the opposite to those disaffected groups. People just want their complaints amplified and don't think past them.
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The struggle for Dems is that they truly are a big tent which is a good thing. But also leads to situations where two groups in the tent are at odds with each other. It’s walking a tight rope to show that you want to help both. The Dems are sincere about it which makes it hard going against someone who will throw whatever :poop: at the wall they can to make it stick to win an election. Knowing full well they have no intention of helping and fully intend to marginalize them.
 
altmin said:
They need something to offset the loss of Michigan.
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Even factoring in a loss of votes for Harris from Michigan’s Arab-American or Palestinian-American or Muslim population, it’s not like that entire population is voter-eligible. Many are under the age of 18. Some others are not U.S. citizens. And then there are many others who just don’t vote (haven’t in the past, likely won’t this election). And it’s not like the entire population is going to refuse to vote for Harris. She will still probably get a lot of votes from within that population. And Biden’s 2020 Michigan victory wasn’t based mainly on votes from that population.

In other words, while losing a substantial number of those votes certainly poses a problem, it doesn’t mean Harris loses Michigan.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Even factoring in a loss of votes for Harris from Michigan’s Arab-American or Palestinian-American or Muslim population, it’s not like that entire population is voter-eligible. Many are under the age of 18. Some others are not U.S. citizens. And then there are many others who just don’t vote (haven’t in the past, likely won’t this election). And it’s not like the entire population is going to refuse to vote for Harris. She will still probably get a lot of votes from within that population. And Biden’s 2020 Michigan victory wasn’t based mainly on votes from that population.

In other words, while losing a substantial number of those votes certainly poses a problem, it doesn’t mean Harris loses Michigan.
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I've read that there are 200K Muslim voters in MI. Not all of them Arab, and not all of the Arabs Muslim.
 


Do….do the Republicucks know they aren’t running against Hillary Clinton and that the last time they did so was nearly a decade ago?
 
I know fascism is not endemic to any one race or ethnicity. And that that personality type occurs in every group, among numerous individuals. But how in the world American minorities, at least, don't get what this American iteration means is beyond me.

Arrogance, of course, not unique to any group either. I guess everyone always thinks, "Surely it will just be the other guy who suffers, not me," despite history showing us again and again that thinking merely the stuff of fantasy.
 
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