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I was thinking about this. If we are going to cut taxes, this is a place to target. But considering SS payments are effectively before tax, I'm ok if the payments are taxed, I guess.
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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024
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SnoopRob
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Homer would hold out for 2 dozen.
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111 Former G.O.P. Officials Back Harris, Calling Trump ‘Unfit to Serve’
The signatories of a letter endorsing the Democratic vice president included former members of Congress, defense secretaries, C.I.A. directors and other national security officials.
111 Former G.O.P. Officials Back Harris, Calling Trump ‘Unfit to Serve’
The signatories of a letter endorsing the Democratic vice president included former members of Congress, defense secretaries, C.I.A. directors and other national security officials."... The 111 signatories included former officials who served under Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush or George W. Bush. Many of them had previously broken with Mr. Trump, including two former defense secretaries, Chuck Hagel and William S. Cohen; Robert B. Zoellick, a former president of the World Bank; the former C.I.A. directors Michael V. Hayden and William H. Webster; a former director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte; and former Gov. William F. Weld of Massachusetts. Miles Taylor and Olivia Troye, two Trump administration officials who became vocal critics, also signed.
But a number of Republicans who did not sign a similar letter on behalf of Mr. Biden in 2020 signed the one for Ms. Harris this time, including several former House members, like Charles W. Boustany Jr. of Louisiana, Barbara Comstock of Virginia, Dan Miller of Florida and Bill Paxon of New York. ..."
Open Letter: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/38a5a90bef9711ef/a1c00612-full.pdf
Ddseddse
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111 Former G.O.P. Officials Back Harris, Calling Trump ‘Unfit to Serve’
The signatories of a letter endorsing the Democratic vice president included former members of Congress, defense secretaries, C.I.A. directors and other national security officials.www.nytimes.com
111 Former G.O.P. Officials Back Harris, Calling Trump ‘Unfit to Serve’
The signatories of a letter endorsing the Democratic vice president included former members of Congress, defense secretaries, C.I.A. directors and other national security officials.
"... The 111 signatories included former officials who served under Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush or George W. Bush. Many of them had previously broken with Mr. Trump, including two former defense secretaries, Chuck Hagel and William S. Cohen; Robert B. Zoellick, a former president of the World Bank; the former C.I.A. directors Michael V. Hayden and William H. Webster; a former director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte; and former Gov. William F. Weld of Massachusetts. Miles Taylor and Olivia Troye, two Trump administration officials who became vocal critics, also signed.
But a number of Republicans who did not sign a similar letter on behalf of Mr. Biden in 2020 signed the one for Ms. Harris this time, including several former House members, like Charles W. Boustany Jr. of Louisiana, Barbara Comstock of Virginia, Dan Miller of Florida and Bill Paxon of New York. ..."
Open Letter: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/38a5a90bef9711ef/a1c00612-full.pdf
We appreciate that many Republicans prefer Donald Trump to Kamala Harris, for a variety of reasons. We recognize and do not disparage their potential concerns, including about some of the positions advocated by the left wing of the Democratic party. But any potential concerns pale in comparison to Donald Trump's demonstrated chaotic and unethical behavior and disregard for our Republic's time-tested principles of constitutional governance. His unpredictable nature is not the negotiating virtue he extols. To the contrary, in matters of national security, his demeanor invites equally erratic behavior from our adversaries, which irresponsibly threatens reckless and dangerous global consequences.
In short, Donald Trump cannot be trusted “to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . . and be a rtrue faith and allegiance to the same."We believe that Kamala Harris can, and we urge other Americans to join us in supporting her.
None of those signatories move the needle any.111 Former G.O.P. Officials Back Harris, Calling Trump ‘Unfit to Serve’
The signatories of a letter endorsing the Democratic vice president included former members of Congress, defense secretaries, C.I.A. directors and other national security officials.
111 Former G.O.P. Officials Back Harris, Calling Trump ‘Unfit to Serve’
The signatories of a letter endorsing the Democratic vice president included former members of Congress, defense secretaries, C.I.A. directors and other national security officials.
"... The 111 signatories included former officials who served under Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush or George W. Bush. Many of them had previously broken with Mr. Trump, including two former defense secretaries, Chuck Hagel and William S. Cohen; Robert B. Zoellick, a former president of the World Bank; the former C.I.A. directors Michael V. Hayden and William H. Webster; a former director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte; and former Gov. William F. Weld of Massachusetts. Miles Taylor and Olivia Troye, two Trump administration officials who became vocal critics, also signed.
But a number of Republicans who did not sign a similar letter on behalf of Mr. Biden in 2020 signed the one for Ms. Harris this time, including several former House members, like Charles W. Boustany Jr. of Louisiana, Barbara Comstock of Virginia, Dan Miller of Florida and Bill Paxon of New York. ..."
Open Letter: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/38a5a90bef9711ef/a1c00612-full.pdf
I think the only GOP endorsement that might register at this point is W's.
heelinhell
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Milley and Kelly might move the needle, as well.
I would add McMaster, but he is a soft Trumper so no way he endorses Harris...
Ddseddse
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**** McMaster.
If you enjoy 'throbbing vein in the forehead' type rage, then I suggest you listen to the Foreign Policy Live podcast where Ravi Agrawal interviews McMaster about the foreign policy aspects of the Trump Harris debate.
EDIT: To be clear, it's the special type of rage reserved for "those who should know better, and yet...".
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So, continue to fill government with right wing grifters.
CallMeTyler
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How anyone can bear to listen to RFK for even 60 seconds is beyond me. That guy is one foot in the grave.
SnoopRob
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I think Dick Cheney's could if he's willing to actually campaign for Harris (even if only by video).
A 30-second ad that touts Cheney's conservative bona fides, contrasts Trump's lack of conservatism, and then ends with a strong statement by Dick against Trump could be really powerful. Especially played over and over again on Fox News.
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Honestly, that’s exactly how it SHOULD be.
How many pro-Cheney, anti-Trump voters exist in 2024? It can’t be a very large demo.
I think this is missing the forest for the trees. The point is not a single republican/conservative moving away from trump. The point is a burgeoning republican/conservative *movement* away from trump, finally.
It’s an accumulation, and that message as a whole isn’t being aimed at just one sliver of a demo, it’s aimed at the whole electorate. And it’s adding to the trump fatigue that piles up in so many other ways.
SnoopRob
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I think it's more that you would be giving folks with strong misgivings about Trump "permission" to do something other than vote for him.
A very small number of folks might move their vote to Harris. But more may vote 3rd party or even leave the top of the ticket blank if they feel like it's ok to do so. If they feel like like being a conservative or a Republican means that you can be against Trump while being for conservative/Republican ideals and beliefs.
Are we talking, at most, 1% of Trump-leaning voters? Probably. But in places like Wisconsin. Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona, that small amount of voters could be enough to add to other election efforts to make a difference in one of those states.
I'm not sure Cheney is a very good messenger for that movement.
George W, however, I think would move the needle.
That’s why I didn’t mention Cheney, I mentioned a cumulative effect that doesn’t hinge on a single voice. Its strength is in showing any voter considering trump “look at ALL these republicans and military leaders jumping ship, maybe it’s time for you to move in another direction, too…”
That needle is moving regardless of what Cheney or Bush say, the momentum is already real and it’s growing.
