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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024
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HeelYeah2012
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Yes, getting rough with opportunistic criminals is more palatable than getting rough with random people who didn’t commit crimes. Beating people to death isn’t the answer in either scenario and not something anyone rational would endorse
heelinhell
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Fortunately, Biden did not have to implement a day of police violence to reduce the crime rate that we suffered under Trump. My expectation is that the crime rate will continue decrease in a Harris administration.
rodoheel
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Well I'm glad we both agree Trump isn't rational. Since that's, uh, exactly what he suggested. Or did you think when he said he wanted "one real rough, nasty day" and later "one really violent day … one rough hour, and I mean real rough" he just meant a concussion and a couple ruptured internal organs? I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks advocating for police violence against people who have not been committed any crime. Can't wait for the stories about people who were put into comas by cops who were "sure" they were shoplifting but actually weren't. It's gonna be hard to convince people you're a moderate, as you usually try to do, when you think the leader of a political party openly calling for extralegal police violence against suspected criminals is a rational solution to a made-up crime wave.
Also, who is advocating getting rough with "random people who didn't commit crimes"? What sort of false dichotomy is this?
lawtig02
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Yeah, I’m sorry, that’s just straight amoral.
lightbluenc
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I'm so glad I don't have to rationalize anything like this about Kamala Harris. Can't imagine having to do that over and over and over just because of a policy disagreement.
UNCBAdookJD
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Yeah, this is the United States. We have due process here. Police beating the shit out of suspects is dictator-shit.
HeelYeah2012
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Correct, I agree with you. Criminals should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, not beat to death by police and also not just ignored and allowed to steal with no consequences. All of the above should go without saying but I guess in this environment you never know what people may believe.
rodoheel
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Then call out your own damn candidate for saying this BS rather than inventing strawmen to argue with us about. Trump said, verbatim, that he wanted "one real rough, nasty day" and later "one really violent day … one rough hour, and I mean real rough" to deal with alleged shoplifters. That is your own candidate advocating for violence against alleged criminals. Stop dissembling for once and actually admit that it's your own damn candidate saying the thing you are now apparently conceding is ridiculous and contrary to everything our country stands for.
HeelYeah2012
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Trump should not be advocating for police violence against criminals. Is that clear enough for you?
rodoheel
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Yes. I just wonder why you spent a whole page of posts quasi-defending his statements rather than just saying that from the beginning?
SnoopRob
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It is hard to imagine a candidate more unworthy to serve as president of the United States than Donald Trump. He has proved himself morally unfit for an office that asks its occupant to put the good of the nation above self-interest. He has proved himself temperamentally unfit for a role that requires the very qualities — wisdom, honesty, empathy, courage, restraint, humility, discipline — that he most lacks.
Those disqualifying characteristics are compounded by everything else that limits his ability to fulfill the duties of the president: his many criminal charges, his advancing age, his fundamental lack of interest in policy and his increasingly bizarre cast of associates.
This unequivocal, dispiriting truth — Donald Trump is not fit to be president — should be enough for any voter who cares about the health of our country and the stability of our democracy to deny him re-election.
For this reason, regardless of any political disagreements voters might have with her, Kamala Harris is the only patriotic choice for president.
If the Editorial Board can see this, it's a damn shame the news division can't cover the daily news understanding this.
superrific
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1. How do you think fascist violence happens? You think the murderous dictators say, "hey, we're going to kill all the people we don't like"? Of course not. They claim they are fighting crime or some nonsense like that. Read about Duterte's Philippines below. 6000 "drug dealers" killed. 12-30K other people too. Remember, Trump praised Duterte and his violent reprisals in particular.
Philippine drug war - Wikipedia
Also, in South America, they used to "disappear" people. Often that meant dumping them in the ocean. That's how this shit happens.
2. You are aware that we have constitutional rights, correct? And one of them is trial by jury. And another one is a right against cruel and unusual punishment.
Do you not care about our rights? Maybe you care about YOUR rights? Or maybe you think a day of violent reprisals for shoplifting wouldn't violate the 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments?
3. Do you seriously think that petty crime should be punished by "really rough" behavior by cops. Remember what really rough means. Remember Freddie Gray in Baltimore who got taken for a "rough ride"?
superrific
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And yet Trump just did. So by your own standards, he's not rational. Do I have that right?
The idea that random people would be unaffected by a day of violence [editor's note: there is no such thing as "a" day of violence; once you go down that road, there is no pulling back] is staggeringly ignorant of. . . well, history. I don't want to say "all of it" but pretty close -- there has never, to my knowledge, in the history of Western Civilization, an organized government initiative to unleash violence against the citizenry without affecting "random people." In fact, more often than not -- overwhelmingly so -- the actual goal is terror.
aGDevil2k
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Well and we have to remember our dear nycfan makes the sacrifices to see the red twitter smut every damn day...and so seeing that much awfulness can only turn one a bit more skeptical and negative
superrific
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It amazes me that you actually post this shit on this board when there are posters here who know who you are.
Nobody is "allowed" to steal without consequences. It is prosecuted as a misdemeanor offense in California if the theft is $950 or less; in other states, the threshold is higher. Above the threshold, it can be charged as a felony. You can get jail time for theft less than $950, especially if it's not your first offense.
I’m sure Prairie du Chien (pop. 5,506) and Crawford County (pop. 16,114) have a stadium that can fit 50,000 people.Trump claims that Biden and Harris are refusing him enough secret service to interfere with his campaign and hogging protection for themselves even though they don’t need it.
University of Wisconsin-Platteville, an hour away, has a 10,000 seat stadium.
Maybe there’s a large racetrack nearby.
