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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Harris has flipped the script on Trump with funds and with small donor contribution percentages compared to 2016 and 2020. THAT is a really key indicator that "dont trust the polls" alone has some strong validity
 
aGDevil2k said:
Harris has flipped the script on Trump with funds and with small donor contribution percentages compared to 2016 and 2020. THAT is a really key indicator that "dont trust the polls" alone has some strong validity
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OTOH, small donors and crowd sizes were things Trump cited as evidence polls were wrong about him losing in 2020 and he was wrong.
 
I worry about this Iran conflict, the disaster in western NC and an impending dock strike all happening at once this close the election. Even if the response is 100% correct and timely on all 3, the right wing propaganda machine will make it sound like nothing has been done.
 
unc879 said:
I worry about this Iran conflict, the disaster in western NC and an impending dock strike all happening at once this close the election. Even if the response is 100% correct and timely on all 3, the right wing propaganda machine will make it sound like nothing has been done.
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Maybe these are my conservative roots showing but I’m having a hard time ginning up sympathy for the ILA. Maybe they should get some pay increases, but opposing port automation is like horse breeders opposing the Model T. If there’s anything in our commercial infrastructure that’s perfectly suited for automation in the New Panamax era, it’s our ports.
 
lawtig02 said:
Maybe these are my conservative roots showing but I’m having a hard time ginning up sympathy for the ILA. Maybe they should get some pay increases, but opposing port automation is like horse breeders opposing the Model T. If there’s anything in our commercial infrastructure that’s perfectly suited for automation in the New Panamax era, it’s our ports.
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I get where y’all are coming from on this, but think about it this way: these guys have little to no control over whether automation takes their job. In an ideal world, automation would be used to lessen the workload on everyone and create a more equitable society.

Under our current system, automation is a tool for the boss to reduce costs and fire workers. Is it any surprise that these guys would be hostile to automation under these conditions?

They’re not luddites, despite some previous assertions otherwise. They just want to protect their families and livelihoods. Completely understandable IMO.
 
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Paine said:
I get where y’all are coming from on this, but think about it this way: these guys have little to no control over whether automation takes their job. In an ideal world, automation would be used to lessen the workflow on everyone and create a more equitable society.

Under our current system, automation is a tool for the boss to reduce costs and fire workers. Is it any surprise that these guys would be hostile to automation under these conditions?

They’re not luddites, despite some previous assertions otherwise. They just want to protect their families and livelihoods. Completely understandable IMO.
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I agree it’s understandable, but from a policy perspective, it’s a losing proposition. Nobody except the Amish ride horses to the grocery store anymore. And 20 years from now, no matter what happens with this strike, our ports will be almost entirely automated.
 
lawtig02 said:
I agree it’s understandable, but from a policy perspective, it’s a losing proposition. Nobody except the Amish ride horses to the grocery store anymore. And 20 years from now, no matter what happens with this strike, our ports will be almost entirely automated.
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I’d say they’re more concerned with their immediate well being than what the future of our ports look like.
 
Paine said:
I’d say they’re more concerned with their immediate well being than what the future of our ports look like.
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I get it. They’re throwing themselves in front of the steamroller of technological progress in the hope it will stop before it runs them over. And maybe it will, for a moment. But any success will be fleeting, and if it does impact the election (and to be clear, I don’t think it will), it will be massively, enormously, catastrophically self-defeating.
 
lawtig02 said:
I get it. They’re throwing themselves in front of the steamroller of technological progress in the hope it will stop before it runs them over. And maybe it will, for a moment. But any success will be fleeting, and if it does impact the election (and to be clear, I don’t think it will), it will be massively, enormously, catastrophically self-defeating.
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No argument from me there. I still have sympathy for them though, same as I do for any worker striking for higher wages and benefits against massive corporate interests.
 
Paine said:
I’d say they’re more concerned with their immediate well being than what the future of our ports look like.
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LBCT - Long Beach Container Terminal. Fully Automated. Has been for a couple of years now. Containers are a bit easier to automate than bulk shipping.
 
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